i've had trouble with getting adults switched voer from live but with hatchlings, it's pretty easy. i would like to use the gas and twitch method but i just can't house rats too. i really don't enjoy the thawing process though. i have had trouble with the snakes biting the middles and not the heads.

so the best way so far i see is gasing them to sleep and and then gasing them more until they are dead. i think that just gasing to sleep them feeding would still release cortizol (sp).

Thnx for the help.