Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...)

[Sauzo]

Actually if you have exhausted all other options it is a good idea. Some, but not all do better in a smaller cage. Females may react to another male, but it’s usually the males that react to pheromones given off by the female. Maybe your girl is a boy and doesn’t like Gerald.

Hard to say at this point but if you don’t have anything else to try, try a smaller cage and see if it helps. Maybe it will maybe it won’t. And as far as food, there is no wild retic that eats constantly they just don’t. I think you are good on the feeding end.

I agree that retics dont eat that much in the wild but I am pretty sure they are constantly on the hunt for food or at least active. I mean Jacob can try the T8, cant hurt but i really dont think it will change things. Phyllis sounds like a girl version of a Caesar and i can tell you, when i put Caesar in a T8 with a shelf, he was NOT happy with that and sat at the front trying to shove his face down between the litter dam and sliding doors and even on the sides and top. Not to mention, Caesar is only 8 feet and he couldnt even stretch out or basically turn around. I pictured it like me being shoved in a closet. Would suck lol. Phyllis is pushing 10 feet i think. She would be over 2 times as long as a T8, not to mention, she wouldnt even really be able to even raise her head lol. T8s are pretty freakin small. Even my 4.5 foot BP looked huge in one haha. To give you an idea, their inside height is only like 10.5 inches or so.

Count your blessings that Wallace isnt that foody or pushy. I know what Jacob is going through as Caesar was like that for about a year lol. He still pushes some when it comes close to food day but like i said, in his case, i think it was wanting to breed as he pushes probably a 1/4 or even less than what he did a couple months ago.

I also think i might have been underfeeding him as i just checked him last night by wrapping my hand around his mid section and he is easily as thick as a coke can. The jumbo rats i've been feeding him or at least jumbo by pet shop standards(weighs around 350 grams) barely even make a dent in him. I think i am going to have to switch him to rabbits as his staple. I dont want to do guinea pigs as the staple as they tend to be fatty.

But hey, might as well try everything. I just figured it was easier and quicker to just take Gerald's T8 and move it into a different room first.

I'm kind of surprised Gerald hasnt been pushing too.

Last feeding I gave Rainbow two XL rats and that was after she went 7 days between feedings (the longest time I have made her go between feedings). Hope she can make it to 10 or more this time before she turns her cage upside down looking for food. She is a pooping and peeing machine. I am just happy she is calm and happy.

Does your retic poop or pee almost every time you handle them? Rainbow started doing this. 10 to 15 min into being handled she poops or pees. Monty does as well about 5 or so minuets into being handles. I think moving gets their body working to empty out so they can be more active. Just a theory though.

Caesar has only even pooped outside the cage once and that was on the floor when i let him wander. He has only pissed outside the cage once too and that was directly on my bare foot which i think he planned despite snakes not thinking like that. Inside his cage he pisses a lot though. Mostly just little 'markings' here and there but every once in awhile, i find a huge urate. This past 2 days, he dropped 2 huge urates in 2 days but he also ate a 2XL guinea pig.

And like Jacob said, welcome to the world of retics. They poop and piss all the time....and eat all the time.......and sometimes push and destroy stuff.

[jmcrook]

Sauzo,
Gerald most definitely pushes. Frequently but just not as forcefully as Phyllis and as such doesn’t incur much if any face damage. He’s pushing right now actually and making quite a commotion lol
As of right now, Phyllis is totally chill. Hasn’t moved from her warm hide all day. Maybe she was being crazy last night because she pooped and wanted out (I had a few drinks and respect both of our well being enough to leave her be if I feel I’m impaired). Who knows but I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch. Just gonna cross my fingers and hope that moving Gerald will have solved the issue.
Unrelated, a guy I follow on Instagram posted a 3.5yr old kayuadi/Madu cross whose parents were 8’ and the snake in the image was 3.6meters according to him, just under 12’. Makes me wonder even more if Phyllis has some other Island influences in her background. Or if F1 SD retics just tend to get considerably larger than their parents.



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[Sauzo]

Sauzo,
Gerald most definitely pushes. Frequently but just not as forcefully as Phyllis and as such doesn’t incur much if any face damage. He’s pushing right now actually and making quite a commotion lol
As of right now, Phyllis is totally chill. Hasn’t moved from her warm hide all day. Maybe she was being crazy last night because she pooped and wanted out (I had a few drinks and respect both of our well being enough to leave her be if I feel I’m impaired). Who knows but I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch. Just gonna cross my fingers and hope that moving Gerald will have solved the issue.
Unrelated, a guy I follow on Instagram posted a 3.5yr old kayuadi/Madu cross whose parents were 8’ and the snake in the image was 3.6meters according to him, just under 12’. Makes me wonder even more if Phyllis has some other Island influences in her background. Or if F1 SD retics just tend to get considerably larger than their parents.



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Could be the poop. I know Rosey and Vicky both will pace the front of their cages when they poop and sometimes when they piss. It's like they dont want to be near their poop. Caesar will do it too but usually only for poops. He has done it for pisses too but very rarely and only for BIG pisses.

Not sure what is up with him tonight though. Last night, he loved the petting session. Today he was kind of cranky when i removed his hide to check for pisses. He just looked at me and when i pet him, he shoved my hand away a few times lol. Then later on at night, I opened the cage to pet him and he wandered off. Not sure why he is being moody but i just left him alone haha.

And sorry but i cant help laugh that Gerald is pushing too. My god, Caesar alone pushing made me sweat bullets all the time. I couldnt imagine having 2 snakes pushing all the time lol.

As for Phyllis having some dwarf in her maybe, its possible i guess. I mean she also might just be well fed and just a big girl like Gio said. I mean Caesar's dad was only like 6 feet and his mom was 8-9 feet. Caesar is pushing 8 feet and easily as thick as a coke can. Dont know his weight but he is pretty heavy. He is definitely a big boy. Honestly a bit bigger than i planned for but luckily he is really laid back unless i touch his tail without him knowing its me touching his tail. Boy that almost ended badly when i shoved his tail over with the temp gauge and he didnt know it was me.... But who knows, maybe Phyllis does have something else in her.

[jmcrook]

Could be the poop. I know Rosey and Vicky both will pace the front of their cages when they poop and sometimes when they piss. It's like they dont want to be near their poop. Caesar will do it too but usually only for poops. He has done it for pisses too but very rarely and only for BIG pisses.

Not sure what is up with him tonight though. Last night, he loved the petting session. Today he was kind of cranky when i removed his hide to check for pisses. He just looked at me and when i pet him, he shoved my hand away a few times lol. Then later on at night, I opened the cage to pet him and he wandered off. Not sure why he is being moody but i just left him alone haha.

And sorry but i cant help laugh that Gerald is pushing too. My god, Caesar alone pushing made me sweat bullets all the time. I couldnt imagine having 2 snakes pushing all the time lol.

As for Phyllis having some dwarf in her maybe, its possible i guess. I mean she also might just be well fed and just a big girl like Gio said. I mean Caesar's dad was only like 6 feet and his mom was 8-9 feet. Caesar is pushing 8 feet and easily as thick as a coke can. Dont know his weight but he is pretty heavy. He is definitely a big boy. Honestly a bit bigger than i planned for but luckily he is really laid back unless i touch his tail without him knowing its me touching his tail. Boy that almost ended badly when i shoved his tail over with the temp gauge and he didnt know it was me.... But who knows, maybe Phyllis does have something else in her.

Yeah without paperwork from the importers it’s hard to be 100% certain. I was told kalatoa parents however, that were ~5 maybe 6’ dad and ~7’ mom = 10’ Phyllis. Gerald was ~6’ ultra anery dad and ~11’ platinum/fire het anery mom = ~7’ Gerald. He’s so much leaner than Phyllis. Probably only 2-3’ shorter at most but is maybe 1/3 Phyllis’s girth. I really wish y’all could see her in person. She’s quite the sight when she’s out and about.
And hahaha yeah Gerald’s always pushed a little. Just doesn’t completely fold his face in half like Phyllis does. Never gets swollen lips or anything so I don’t worry about it. He eats, poops, sheds, and does everything else just fine so if pushing doesn’t hurt his face then I say go for it Gerald lol


Crazy critter kids...
that’s Phyllis with a small rat that Geoffrey turned down hahah! Her head is as big as the rat

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[Sauzo]

That's weird as usually if the mom is big, the kid ends up big. Guess Gerald bucked that trend lol.

And yeah, Caesar is definitely a full figured male retic. He might be a smidge overweight but it doesnt really show as his head is still bigger than his body and his tail is streamline to the rest of him. This is my first retic so not sure what to really look for but everything seems to be in proportion.

Haha, I'm not sure what Caesar would do if i gave him a small rat. i dont think he could even wrap it. I gave Vicky a small rat once and she is 6 foot and she couldnt even hold it lol. She spun around all over trying to get a grip on it and then gave up and just swallowed it.

[67temp]

I was setting up another enclosure last night and while doing the lighting I had a random thought. I'm sure it probably wont stop the pushing, but have you messed with adjusting the amount of light she gets? Similar to how you can put a blanket over a bird and put them into sleep mode.

[Skyrivers]

Could be the poop. I know Rosey and Vicky both will pace the front of their cages when they poop and sometimes when they piss. It's like they dont want to be near their poop. Caesar will do it too but usually only for poops. He has done it for pisses too but very rarely and only for BIG pisses.

Not sure what is up with him tonight though. Last night, he loved the petting session. Today he was kind of cranky when i removed his hide to check for pisses. He just looked at me and when i pet him, he shoved my hand away a few times lol. Then later on at night, I opened the cage to pet him and he wandered off. Not sure why he is being moody but i just left him alone haha.

And sorry but i cant help laugh that Gerald is pushing too. My god, Caesar alone pushing made me sweat bullets all the time. I couldnt imagine having 2 snakes pushing all the time lol.

As for Phyllis having some dwarf in her maybe, its possible i guess. I mean she also might just be well fed and just a big girl like Gio said. I mean Caesar's dad was only like 6 feet and his mom was 8-9 feet. Caesar is pushing 8 feet and easily as thick as a coke can. Dont know his weight but he is pretty heavy. He is definitely a big boy. Honestly a bit bigger than i planned for but luckily he is really laid back unless i touch his tail without him knowing its me touching his tail. Boy that almost ended badly when i shoved his tail over with the temp gauge and he didnt know it was me.... But who knows, maybe Phyllis does have something else in her.

I keep reading about everyone's retics pushing right now. I don't think I have seen Rainbow do it from the time I have had her. I have seen her move things around and do what looks like scratching an itch on the side of her hide a few times. She mostly sleeps and moves around when I get home. That is when I usually take her out so she expects a play secession so to speak. Then she crawls into her enclosure and then looks back to see if food is coming. I don't think she would ever turn down food. She then spends about 30 min or so roaming around looking and hoping for food before going back into her hide.

My ASF colony is getting a little larger than I want so I grabbed 2 of the boys to feed off and tossed them to her. She grabbed one quickly but was like "How do I eat something so small?" Took her a minuet but she figured it out. Eating and pooping machine for sure.

She has never attempted to strike at me. The worst I get is a tail whip when putting her back and when she wants to be left alone she will flop her body when being touched. I hope she stays that calm but am always prepared if she doesn't.

Good luck with all the pushing and moodiness of everyone's retics.

[jmcrook]

I was setting up another enclosure last night and while doing the lighting I had a random thought. I'm sure it probably wont stop the pushing, but have you messed with adjusting the amount of light she gets? Similar to how you can put a blanket over a bird and put them into sleep mode.

Yeah, I tried covering the cage doors with dark paper and it didn’t do much if anything. Other people have said that works like a charm but not here. It doesn’t look like she budged last night though, I’m really hoping that moving Gerald was the key


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[AbsoluteApril]

If a smaller cage doesn't work (and yes, sometimes that works) have you considered trying a tub? Some will push in cages with front opening doors but won't in a semi-opaque tub. Not ideal of course but either is hamburger face. Hopefully the move of Gerald will fix it.
I wish there was a magic formula to get them to knock it off. "Like, come on! you are doing this to yourself, stop it!" (that's me, admonishing a pusher lol)

[jmcrook]

If a smaller cage doesn't work (and yes, sometimes that works) have you considered trying a tub? Some will push in cages with front opening doors but won't in a semi-opaque tub. Not ideal of course but either is hamburger face. Hopefully the move of Gerald will fix it.
I wish there was a magic formula to get them to knock it off. "Like, come on! you are doing this to yourself, stop it!" (that's me, admonishing a pusher lol)

I had kinda considered it off and on. Need to get an xmas tree tub though, she completely fills a 100qt hefty tub now and would be cramped even in an xmas tree tub too as they’re about the same size as a T8 just a little longer and taller but not as wide. I’ll keep y’all posted on her behavior.
I’ve definitely been screaming into the void about her pushing as well lol “Phyllis! Just stooooooooooooop!”
Now that I’m looking at my records she might have just started her shed cycle. She goes about every 5 weeks and we’re right at a month now. Will probably be quiet for a week, shed, and then we’ll see more accurately if Gerald is/was the pushing catalyst


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