Yeah i was looking at those are the pet shop but the ones by Exo Terra or whoever, they flake apart. I was actually talking to a guy on the chondro boards about those and he told me he seals them with reptile sealant and they last a pretty long time if done like that. I think Pat's cage is done except for maybe a little potted Pothos or Philo later. I dont want to clutter it up too much as i want a fairly open place i can feed him so he doesnt snag a plant leaf or something while striking.