I don’t think anyone is correct yet. I don’t believe either are normal but unfortunately you’ll probably never know what morphs they are without knowing what the parents were. The first one looks like a genetic black back but could possibly be something else, even possibly a normal with just a really different pattern. The second one is hard but the pattern and color look off to me for a normal. My guess would be enchi. Sorry I can’t be more helpful than that but I’m pretty sure you have more than two normals there.
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