Pics not working. And i have talked to breeders and others who have older animals that just dropped dead for no apparent reason. Anyways, whatever lol.

Lol yeah, you dont pull them off their perches, you have removable perches and you lift the whole perch with them on it out of the cage and let them climb onto your hand by slowly coaxing them. You can actually do permanent damage to baby spines by trying to pull them off perches and babies really shouldnt be handled much except with removable perches. I got a guy that lives by me that i sold my Pro-Line cage to who has a lot of GTPs and we talked awhile. He's going to start breeding and i might one day pick one up from him but for the ones i like like the nice blue striped Sorongs and Jayapura or a nice bright green Aru, they dont come cheap.

And from what i have been told, if you are going to mess with them, do it in the daytime. At night time they become active and tend to think anything with a heat signature is dinner including your hand lol.