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    Re: A note on ball python cage sizes - lessons from Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan View Post
    Just to put things in perspective, how many ball pythons do you have and how long have you been keeping them? Do you have enough data to agree or disagree with the information you have presented?

    What are the behaviors you have observed that makes you think the suggestions presented have merit?
    An excellent critique. For reference, I have been keeping ball pythons and other reptiles for probably 20-25 years and I currently have 8 ball pythons (4 adult, and younger ones). I have raised perhaps 5-6 using the tub -> larger enclosure with good results, but admittedly hardly enough for me to claim my personal experience merits a significant "n" value. That said, given these guidelines are more or less requirements in Germany and they are not having widespread issues in ball python husbandry, it's probably fair to say at minimum, they aren't doing any worse than anywhere in regards to snakes thriving in their care.

    So there are probably enough keepers using larger enclosures with good success to make an equivalency argument that snakes can be kept completely healthy in smaller enclosures or in larger ones, so perhaps I should approach this differently, given the aforementioned, if you can keep a snake equally healthy in both enclosures, does it merit the snake and keeper to use the larger enclosure? To quote (I believe) Greg Maxwell, "I could keep a green tree python healthy in a bucket if I had to". If one can do that, is a bucket then an acceptable enclosure size? I am obviously not advocating such a practice, but throwing it out there as a counter. If a snake is eating and free of mites / disease, is any "enclosure" acceptable? Or should be there some allowance for space considering the animal will likely spend its entire life (15+ years) in captive care? How would one measure what is acceptable?

    I have some additional thoughts, but am curious to see your reply / interested in having something of an academic discussion on enclosure sizes in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
    Really?

    Good thing is that there is more than one way to skin a cat and if what you do works for you good don't change a thing, however if people come here and have issues they will get advice based on experience, things that are PROVEN to work and not something based on a so called "US Philosophy of being cheap" - I am French BTW so don't think I am insulted and this is was prompted my answer.

    I see people every year that think their way is the one and only way when it's not, it's never about how I keep my snakes or how you keep your snakes, it's about providing a proven solution that will allow a new owner to get back on tract as they learn what trigger their animals and know what to expect and how to troubleshoot their problem themselves.

    Trust me if I was recommending to new owner what I do and how I keep MY animals they would fail.
    I apologize if my tone appears judgemental and am disappointed you took it to be what appears to be an overall negative message, but you'll note that one portion you've quoted are not my words and one portion is. I did, as best I can tell, never say that my way was the only way, but offered suggestion and encouragement into selecting larger adult enclosures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny1318 View Post
    But yeah you just sound angry.
    Which portion of the post makes you think I sound angry?

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