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Champagne genetics
What are the problems with the champagne gene? I know super champagne is lethal but are there other problems I should know because I love the gene and want to produce pastel champagnes.
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It has some lethal combos, like you mentioned champ x champ is not good, same with spider x champ and a couple others
1.0 Banana Hypo
1.0 Pastave Enchi
1.0 Pastel +
0.1 Normal Het. Hypo
0.1 Killer Blast
0.1 Killer Calibee
0.1 Queenbee
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Wobble.
http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php
OWAL's site on morph issues. (Also has the list for complexes on that site, Ohhwataloser is one of the most helpful people on this forum)
Thanks for reminding me it's on my "oh heck no" list. People keep posting them and I forgot for a moment I won't work with breeding that morph
Last edited by Oxylepy; 05-16-2017 at 01:46 AM.
Ball Pythons 1.1 Lesser, Pastel
1.0 Lesser Pastel, 0.0.7 mixed babies
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Re: Champagne genetics
Thank you! That link is great!!
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Re: Champagne genetics
So to clarify the only genetic problem I would have to worry about when breeding her to my pastel is the chance for wobble correct?
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Re: Champagne genetics
Originally Posted by Oxylepy
Wobble.
http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php
OWAL's site on morph issues. (Also has the list for complexes on that site, Ohhwataloser is one of the most helpful people on this forum)
Thanks for reminding me it's on my "oh heck no" list. People keep posting them and I forgot for a moment I won't work with breeding that morph
i own 3 unrelated Champagne combo's and in my direct experience, wobble is not an issue. it obviously does happen, but it is not as prevalent of an issue as with the Spider morph. i see as many wobbly Champ's as i do "non-wobble" morphs having the wobble due to neurological issues caused by incubation, overheating, chemicals, etc. also keep in mind that a wobble doesn't necessarily impact the quality of life and ability to thrive. wobbles have been discussed and debated ad nauseam. here' one of the latest threads: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ders-or-morphs Champ's are fine to keep and work with.
Originally Posted by reptilesinabox
So to clarify the only genetic problem I would have to worry about when breeding her to my pastel is the chance for wobble correct?
yes. also to to answer more broadly, there will be a chance for a wobble breeding your Champ to any other BP. it's a chance, not a guarantee.
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Re: Champagne genetics
Thank you Ax01! Yea I for sure stay away from spider genes but I just can't help with champagne I love the colors that can be produced with them
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