Genetics Info Needed For Producing Snows And/Or Moonglows

[Aedryan Methyus]

I have fallen in love with the Snows and Moonglows, but they are sooo much money to buy! So, I guess i'm going to have to take the long way around if I ever want to have a pair of either of them... I'm just beginning my research on them and I was wondering if you guys could help put me on the right path. I still have much to learn about Boa genetics...

Here are a few questions:

- Firstly, can anyone tell me what the difference really is between Snows and Moonglows? Honestly, the only difference I can see in photos i've seen of them is their name and thousands of dollars...

- From what I gather, the two primary ingredients for both mutations is Albino (Kahl) and Anery, is that correct? If so, that means I would need a pair of Albino Kahl Het Anerys (or vise versa) to produce Snows or Moonglows, right? Would this be the cheapest and shortest path for me to take? These would all be BCI and not BCC, right?

Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions you guys might be able to offer.

[AbsoluteApril]

Yes they would be BCi (Bi)
Moonglow is a snow that also expresses the hypo gene
Snow is a visual anery and albino so both adults would need to either express or carry both genes
Snows aren't that expensive any longer actually
All boas yellow up as they age, so please be aware the beautiful baby snow/moonglow may turn out similar to an adult albino (large yellow snake)
Some moonglows are hard to tell apart from snows since the color is all gone (hypo reduces black which albino removes and increases red which anery removes). Getting a good eye for hypos and the combos may help you tell the difference by the lack of thick border around the tail saddles, pinched body saddles are generally a good sign but non-hypo siblings sometimes also express that trait.
I hope this helps!

[AbsoluteApril]

oh, also they can be made with both strains of albino - kahl (aka original) and sharp
the two strains of albino are not compatible so you have to make sure the parents carry the same one
If the snake is not specified which strain it is, 99% of the time it will be kahl strain

[Zincubus]

I have fallen in love with the Snows and Moonglows, but they are sooo much money to buy! So, I guess i'm going to have to take the long way around if I ever want to have a pair of either of them... I'm just beginning my research on them and I was wondering if you guys could help put me on the right path. I still have much to learn about Boa genetics...

Here are a few questions:

- Firstly, can anyone tell me what the difference really is between Snows and Moonglows? Honestly, the only difference I can see in photos i've seen of them is their name and thousands of dollars...

- From what I gather, the two primary ingredients for both mutations is Albino (Kahl) and Anery, is that correct? If so, that means I would need a pair of Albino Kahl Het Anerys (or vise versa) to produce Snows or Moonglows, right? Would this be the cheapest and shortest path for me to take? These would all be BCI and not BCC, right?

Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions you guys might be able to offer.

Well the shortest method would be to buy one like I did !

Granted I had to part with a Hypo Burm , a SunGlow Boa and a Dwarf White Phased Retic to fund the Snow Boa though

The good news is I ended up with my dream snake and over the coming years I was able to replace the three snakes but with Dwarf and Super Dwarf versions !!
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[Sauzo]

And to add what others have said, you have to specify when it comes to a snow as there are sharp snows and kahl snows. Sharp snows are going to be more expensive but not by much and they generally will hold a more white color than a kahl will. Then when you add in the hypo gene, you get either a moonglow which is the kahl version or a snowglow which is the sharp version. Again not that much of a price difference really. About $200-300 difference in the snowglow favor.

Again the biggest difference is a kahl will banana out with age where as a sharp will generally hold its whites. And of course you are looking at like at about $500 or so for a kahl snow neonate and about $700 for a sharp snow neonate. And that's assuming you find a sharp snow or snowglow. Sharp stuff still isnt that common where as kahl is a lot more common.

Generally you will find a lot more kahl snows and moonglows than you will find sharp snows or snowglows. If you want a moonglow, talk to Matt Cook. He just had a litter of of them and i believe they are going up for sale in a month or two.

Bottomline, just save up the money and buy one. Its a recessive gene for it could take awhile to hit it. $500-600 really isnt too bad for a snake. Heck half of my snakes were in that ballpark if not more

[Sauzo]

Well the shortest method would be to buy one like I did !

Granted I had to part with a Hypo Burm , a SunGlow Boa and a Dwarf White Phased Retic to fund the Snow Boa though

The good news is I ended up with my dream snake and over the coming years I was able to replace the three snakes but with Dwarf and Super Dwarf versions !!
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Dang, hope you didnt part with all that for a neonate kahl snow. I mean maybe in the UK they are more but in the US, you can find a kahl snow neonate for $500-600.

And yeah, i love my SD white albino tiger het snow retic. Caesar is awesome but my god, he loves to eat lol.

[Zincubus]

Dang, hope you didnt part with all that for a neonate kahl snow. I mean maybe in the UK they are more but in the US, you can find a kahl snow neonate for $500-600.

And yeah, i love my SD white albino tiger het snow retic. Caesar is awesome but my god, he loves to eat lol.

Na , he came as a 6'+ godlike creature


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[chip07]

I would just save up and buy the moonglow or snow that you want. You'll have the money for that before a breeding pair is ready. Plus to buy, house and feed a pair along with all those babies is likely to cost you more in the end. And if you don't get the combo in the first round you'll have to house and feed another litter. If you lose the female you'll have to start all over again with a young het girl... $1200 will start seeming cheap soon if that happens lol

[Aedryan Methyus]

Thanks so much for all of your advice and info! I can definitely see this isn't going to be a very cheap project to get into, but I think it would be a good investment. Neither Kahls or Sharps seem to be very available either. The only Snow Kahl (Motley) I can find available on the whole internet is a 2017 female for $850.00 and the only Moonglow Kahl I can find is also a 2017 female for $1,950.00. I can't find any males of either... If I acquire a male and female Snow/Moonglow, what percentage of their offspring could I expect to be Snow/Moonglows?

Sauzo, where can Matt Cook be found on the internet? He doesn't seem to have a website or a Facebook page or anything...

Thanks again you guys!

[chip07]

Moonglowxmoonglow would be all snow and possible super moonglows.
MoonglowxSnow would be all snow and moonglow.

If you want to breed because you want to I don't see a problem. Just thought you were going for cheapest and fast!

I want a sunglow leopard so I have all the genes sitting in my house growing up myself lol