Is there any reason why I don't see BEL x BEL breeding? (Super Lesser x Super Lesser)

[leocrespo]

I have a male and female BEL, both super lesser. Is there any reason why I shouldn't breed them together to get 100% BEL?

Thanks for your reply!

[piedlover79]

The only issue is the risk of 'bug eye' but you run that risk any time you make a super lesser no matter how you make it.

[Oxylepy]

Yeah, go ahead and breed them if you're okay to deal with the offspring. Honestly, though, I'd say it's a pretty boring breeding program. If you can get a couple other supers in your BELs (Super Pastel, Super Cinnamon/Black Pastel, etc) you have a really really strong breeder snake, because all offspring will at least be het for each trait.

[redshepherd]

People don't like bug eyes, but it's not technically a health issue. And they actually grow out of it as they get bigger, which people don't seem to be aware of.

Here's my super lesser now (showing at an angle so you can see how flat his eyes are) at 1.5 years old:





And this is when he was a hatchling, which stayed relatively obvious until he was around 400g or so, I'm guessing... LOL:

[JodanOrNoDan]

^^^ I can still see the "defect". It definitely has lessened though. The most severe case of this I have seen is where one eye was actually larger than the other. My primary focus is BEL complex and I personally do not see a need to ever do a Lesser to Lesser pairing if the goal is to make an all white BEL. Lesser to Mojave works just fine. I am not condemning those that do, there is just a safer way to get there.

[Joppsta]

Pardon my ignorance but what was BEL stand for?#

Edit: Penny dropped.. Blue Eyed Lucy. Gotcha.

[JodanOrNoDan]

blue eyed leucistic, it has also been used for black eyed leucistic. When talking about the BEL Complex it always stands for blue eyed leucistic which includes mojaves, lessers, phantoms, specials and a few others.

[OhhWatALoser]

I've seen it a couple times but I've only seen super pastel x super pastel a couple times also. It doesn't get you genetically further, that's why you don't see it often. Bugs eyes have nothing to do with it. Otherwise we would see things like super enchi x super enchi all the time, they have no issues and are a very in demand snake and we would hardly see super lessers at all

[jkerezsi]

Yeah, go ahead and breed them if you're okay to deal with the offspring. Honestly, though, I'd say it's a pretty boring breeding program. If you can get a couple other supers in your BELs (Super Pastel, Super Cinnamon/Black Pastel, etc) you have a really really strong breeder snake, because all offspring will at least be het for each trait.

Super pastel , cinnamon and black pastels can't be hets unless they are from some kind of recessive gene


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[OhhWatALoser]

Super pastel , cinnamon and black pastels can't be hets unless they are from some kind of recessive gene


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The het ( short for heterozygous) is implied when we say pastel, cinny, black pastel ect. They are however all hets.