**GRAPHIC** Reminder to always monitor live feedings!!!

[JodanOrNoDan]

This is a silly argument. Most of us have had to at least feed live at some point. I don't think there is an agenda. It is sad, but throughout the years I have learned there can be no limit to the stupidity and gullibility of some people. How many burns have we seen on here??? Graphic picture showing what a burnt snake looks like, great. Half eaten snake, great. A picture is worth a thousand words and if it saves one animal from the ignorance of a keeper it is worth it.

[CALM Pythons]

I am sorry but there is more to it than not watching a snake while feeding, that what many people would like other to believe and this is why they are pushing the F/T agenda and you are falling right for it.

I have been breeding both snakes and rodents for a decade and I can assure you that responsible live feeding can be done safely and this is not responsible live feeding, not even a always monitor feeding warning.

Rodents don't just attack a snake and shred it to pieces exposing flesh and bones, that happens when a feeder is starved and dehydrated and then left hours or but more often days with a snake, of course no one will admit that, they would rather say "look this what happen when you feed live or don't monitor feeding"

When you feed live th majority of the time If not snatched before hitting the cage floor the feeder will go in a corner, groom itself and fall asleep and has not time to inflict such damage when left 10 to 15 min with a snake.

I wish people would think before posting pictures like that (thinking they help others by doing so) that type of picture always have a back story whether the owner admits it or not.

You don't educate people trying to scare them off with pictures that are not representative.

Thank You.... Its as bad as that picture posted over and over of the Ball Python cut open with another Ball Python inside it. People post it telling people not to cohabitate when the picture was not from cannibalism of snakes living together at all. Nonsense.


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[CALM Pythons]

On another note, if a snake doesn't take prey after 10 min when monitoring live feedings you take it out...
I almost wonder if this Photo is a setup..maybe a "rat eats the snake" reversal.
Like has been said over and over every time this pic gets posted, that doesn't happen in couple hours!!!


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[highqualityballz]

On another note, if a snake doesn't take prey after 10 min when monitoring live feedings you take it out...
I almost wonder if this Photo is a setup..maybe a "rat eats the snake" reversal.
Like has been said over and over every time this pic gets posted, that doesn't happen in couple hours!!!


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And as I said over and over and over , I am talking about OVERNIGHT not a couple hours!

[zina10]

I think the issue with pictures such as that, is that the actual "message" gets lost in the sensationalism.

I'm going so far to say, that whoever let this happen AND took the picture did not intend that picture to be "educational". It's more about the "shock" and "ew" factor. The fact that pictures such as that spread like wildfire. They do very little to actually "teach" anything.

That said, I'm SURE the Original Poster (in our forum) only meant to post this as a warning and did not have any other motives. But I really, really question the motives of whoever took and shared that picture originally.

Its like this. We "could" put pictures of dead children that were "forgotten" in cars and overheated. Would it be shocking? Yes. Upsetting? Yes. Would it actually prevent that from happening again and again? I doubt it seriously. In theory you would think so. But the entire "shock" factor is why the pictures would circulate. People have to look, even at gruesome stuff. The whole fascination with ghoulish images. If they are bad enough, there is no message, there is no learning. There is just "shock and awe".

Granted, a Ball Python is not a human baby. But us reptile people do care about these animals. This picture is upsetting, shocking and really terrible. Not something that is easy to look at. And I doubt that it is sending the "right" message to any of those keepers that simply are to lazy or to un-caring to do things the right way.

So in my opinion, the intention of highqualityballz was good. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

But pictures such as that do not truly educate or teach anything, also in my humble opinion.

[highqualityballz]

I think the issue with pictures such as that, is that the actual "message" gets lost in the sensationalism.

I'm going so far to say, that whoever let this happen AND took the picture did not intend that picture to be "educational". It's more about the "shock" and "ew" factor. The fact that pictures such as that spread like wildfire. They do very little to actually "teach" anything.

That said, I'm SURE the Original Poster (in our forum) only meant to post this as a warning and did not have any other motives. But I really, really question the motives of whoever took and shared that picture originally.

Its like this. We "could" put pictures of dead children that were "forgotten" in cars and overheated. Would it be shocking? Yes. Upsetting? Yes. Would it actually prevent that from happening again and again? I doubt it seriously. In theory you would think so. But the entire "shock" factor is why the pictures would circulate. People have to look, even at gruesome stuff. The whole fascination with ghoulish images. If they are bad enough, there is no message, there is no learning. There is just "shock and awe".

Granted, a Ball Python is not a human baby. But us reptile people do care about these animals. This picture is upsetting, shocking and really terrible. Not something that is easy to look at. And I doubt that it is sending the "right" message to any of those keepers that simply are to lazy or to un-caring to do things the right way.

So in my opinion, the intention of highqualityballz was good. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

But pictures such as that do not truly educate or teach anything, also in my humble opinion.

I agree the person who took the picture most likelikely didn't do it to educate anyone. But I think that the picture can open a lot of people eyes to taking it more seriously. You can tell people what can happen and it can easily go through one ear out the other, but I think with this picture there is a better chance of that not happening. I know the picture is beyond graphic and I looked it once and got chills and never looked at it again. Again I'll say for the 1000th time I feed live on occasion too and am in NO way against it!

[AntTheDestroyer]

I think the issue with pictures such as that, is that the actual "message" gets lost in the sensationalism.

I'm going so far to say, that whoever let this happen AND took the picture did not intend that picture to be "educational". It's more about the "shock" and "ew" factor. The fact that pictures such as that spread like wildfire. They do very little to actually "teach" anything.

That said, I'm SURE the Original Poster (in our forum) only meant to post this as a warning and did not have any other motives. But I really, really question the motives of whoever took and shared that picture originally.

Its like this. We "could" put pictures of dead children that were "forgotten" in cars and overheated. Would it be shocking? Yes. Upsetting? Yes. Would it actually prevent that from happening again and again? I doubt it seriously. In theory you would think so. But the entire "shock" factor is why the pictures would circulate. People have to look, even at gruesome stuff. The whole fascination with ghoulish images. If they are bad enough, there is no message, there is no learning. There is just "shock and awe".

Granted, a Ball Python is not a human baby. But us reptile people do care about these animals. This picture is upsetting, shocking and really terrible. Not something that is easy to look at. And I doubt that it is sending the "right" message to any of those keepers that simply are to lazy or to un-caring to do things the right way.

So in my opinion, the intention of highqualityballz was good. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

But pictures such as that do not truly educate or teach anything, also in my humble opinion.

I disagree, people should know the consequences of irresponsibility when feeding live and this shows that perfectly. The original intent of the photo taker is immaterial as the OP placed it here with a pretty clear intent. I have seen this pictured posted several times now, mostly as non live feeding propaganda. In this case it was posted as a reasonable point that you need to be careful when feeding live. Which situation is more accurate and helpful?

Just to counter point your shocking images rant how much money do you think aspca or child hunger campaigns bring in by posting sad starving animals/children? It is by no means a small amount. I see these type of photos as reality and think it is good we do not ignore the consequences of our actions or future actions. I think it is easy to say a snake is a predator and it will easily take care of its prey, but in nature this is not always true. Usually the snake wins, but sometimes the rat wins.

[CALM Pythons]

And as I said over and over and over , I am talking about OVERNIGHT not a couple hours!

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I wasn't replying to you personally thats why I didnt TAG your Thread Post in my reply. I was commenting to all about this Viral Photo that has been going around for a long time just like other ones have... Its like saying all Burmese Pythons will eat your kids just because 1 did in Florida under terrible unfortunate humane error.



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[zina10]

I disagree, people should know the consequences of irresponsibility when feeding live and this shows that perfectly. The original intent of the photo taker is immaterial as the OP placed it here with a pretty clear intent. I have seen this pictured posted several times now, mostly as non live feeding propaganda. In this case it was posted as a reasonable point that you need to be careful when feeding live. Which situation is more accurate and helpful?

Just to counter point your shocking images rant how much money do you think aspic or child hunger campaigns bring in by posting sad starving animals/children? It is by no means a small amount. I see these type of photos as reality and think it is good we do not ignore the consequences of our actions or future actions. I think it is easy to say a snake is a predator and it will easily take care of its prey, but in nature this is not always true. Usually the snake wins, but sometimes the rat wins.

You know it is perfectly alright to have different opinions and to disagree.

Nowhere did I "rant". But I guess that too can be disagreed upon.

By the way, there would be a difference between pictures of starving children (that can be helped) and pictures of dead, dismembered and ripped to pieces children.

[Eric Alan]

I drive basically the same 45 mile commute each way to and from work. Every day I see at least one accident during those drives. Every day traffic slows down to stare until just clear of the accident site and then it's green light racing again. The same thing happens every day. People slow, stare, and go right on with their day thinking it could never happen to them. Every day this happens. Every day. Until it happens to them, the lesson that could be learned isn't as strong as the desire to stop, stare, be "entertained" for a moment, and get on with their day. That's just how this game works.