I got my first two from Craigslist. Emrys was in horrible living conditions but managed to thrive and didn't have mites or any problems. Circe came from a guy that was thinning out his collection and she had mites, but I already knew to quarantine her so they didn't spread to Emrys. She was thankfully well taken care of other than the mites. Calypso was my first breeder bought snake.