Question about breeding desert females!

[TJ_Burton]

I think the Desert Ghost (hypo) is a great looking gene. Like it more than the Dominant 'Desert' gene to be honest. But they don't have the same effects on patterns, and they don't have the same effects on colors. The only thing that is similar is that they lighten morph combos up. Not in the same way, but they do it.

I just think the Desert Ghost is often tossed in as an alternative because they share a similar name moreso than because they are so 'alike' (cause they aren't).
ARGUE WITH ME I DARES U

[rnclrk]

I am new to the hobby in the past year, so I can give one newcomer's perspective to this issue. I have seen the adds and know that some breeders do not warn about desert female fertility issues, which can only be an attempt to fool newbies. Since anyone in the hobby with experience knows the issue, they will buy or not buy female deserts based on their knowledge. And I am sure no breeder or experienced hobbyist is buying expensive desert females. So the only reason to not disclose is to fool newcomers. The caveat emptor argument is poor. It would be very easy for a newcomer to do reasonable due diligence about buying ball pythons without coming across the desert female reproductive problems. All that said, here is my approach. I have spent about $20k for my collection so far. I have noted anyone who sells desert females at high prices without warnings and will never buy anything from them. They may make money on some newbies, but I will hopefully represent lost dollars to offset what I see as shady practices. Conversely, the reputable folks who do warn are on my likely to buy from list, since they put current dollars at risk to be honest and helpful to newbies. Obviously I feel strongly about this, and it is only my opinion only. But there it is.

[RoseyReps]

I think the Desert Ghost (hypo) is a great looking gene. Like it more than the Dominant 'Desert' gene to be honest. But they don't have the same effects on patterns, and they don't have the same effects on colors. The only thing that is similar is that they lighten morph combos up. Not in the same way, but they do it.

I just think the Desert Ghost is often tossed in as an alternative because they share a similar name moreso than because they are so 'alike' (cause they aren't).
ARGUE WITH ME I DARES U

I think you are right in the fact that most people suggest them because of the name. But, what I was trying to point out, the name similarity was no accident. As hatchlings they are similar in appearance. That being said, I do not believe they are very similar as adults.

Buuuuut...I also believe that they are as close as we can currently come to making similar combos, without using the Desert gene. By no means exact, but some of the same qualities. The lightening and creamy colors.

I WILL DAGNABIT! BECAUSE I'M STUBBORN AND RARELY ADMIT BEING WRONG! SO HA! ...yea
...take that!

[adam_c]

No. But both are a clean up morph with similar effects.

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yes. this was my point. thank you. haha

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I think the Desert Ghost (hypo) is a great looking gene. Like it more than the Dominant 'Desert' gene to be honest. But they don't have the same effects on patterns, and they don't have the same effects on colors. The only thing that is similar is that they lighten morph combos up. Not in the same way, but they do it.

I just think the Desert Ghost is often tossed in as an alternative because they share a similar name moreso than because they are so 'alike' (cause they aren't).
ARGUE WITH ME I DARES U

i WILL in fact haha but what i was saying wasn't at all because of the name. they DO have similarities thats why i said the word TYPE. they both clean up and lighten.

the only thing i was getting at is if he wants something sweet that has some similarities to the desert gene (more than others) and isnt infertile, then get into desert ghosts

[TJ_Burton]

I think you are right in the fact that most people suggest them because of the name. But, what I was trying to point out, the name similarity was no accident. As hatchlings they are similar in appearance. That being said, I do not believe they are very similar as adults.

Buuuuut...I also believe that they are as close as we can currently come to making similar combos, without using the Desert gene. By no means exact, but some of the same qualities. The lightening and creamy colors.

I WILL DAGNABIT! BECAUSE I'M STUBBORN AND RARELY ADMIT BEING WRONG! SO HA! ...yea
...take that!

We shall do this^

The victor's statement will be taken as truth.

[RoseyReps]

YES PLEASE! Not so much for the sake of the winner's being taken as truth, but more so because I would very much enjoy getting a real lightsaber

I will warn you though TJ, I am a formidable opponent in force to force combat. I have almost moved the remote while stretching for it...like a hundred times...so close...just a little wiggle....Yea..I'm pretty tough stuff

[h00blah]

Desert is a color AND pattern morph. Desert GHOST is a color morph. Desert ghost is more of an enhancer gene where the desert is a game changer. It's not like enchi / orange dream where both are pattern reducers and color changers. They obviously do things differently, but they do a lot of the same things as well.

I agree that the name is what put this idea into people's heads . TJ I agree 100% with ya .

[adam_c]

Desert is a color AND pattern morph. Desert GHOST is a color morph. Desert ghost is more of an enhancer gene where the desert is a game changer. It's not like enchi / orange dream where both are pattern reducers and color changers. They obviously do things differently, but they do a lot of the same things as well.

I agree that the name is what put this idea into people's heads . TJ I agree 100% with ya .

but again, i suggested this from the start NOT because of the name but because of the similarities between the two DIFFERENT genes. they are both awesome and i really do hope that some day someone figures out the desert females because they really are a remarkable mutation.

[RoseyReps]

Desert is a color AND pattern morph. Desert GHOST is a color morph. Desert ghost is more of an enhancer gene where the desert is a game changer. It's not like enchi / orange dream where both are pattern reducers and color changers. They obviously do things differently, but they do a lot of the same things as well.

I agree that the name is what put this idea into people's heads . TJ I agree 100% with ya .

Nobody asked you Travis! Go look at more pics of your enchi fire

I keeeed

[OTorresUSMC]

When I went to NARBC in October, one of the vendors sold me a very beautiful looking tiger female at the NERD table (I thought it was Raphy for a sec there but I actually think it was another guy, RJ I think is his name). I was unsure about buying her, because I had heard stories about desert females not being able to produce. He tracked down Chad from Pro Exotics, introduced me to Chad, and told me to ask my question about desert viability to Chad.

Chad told me that I shouldn't worry about the viability; deserts just needed a slightly different environment from regular BPs. He told me to put the female on the bottom-most tub of my rack so she'd be a little colder than the others. He said he knew of a female desert who had produced in (I want to say) Europe, so there was nothing to be concerned over.

I would be very sad to think that both would lie, so I feel confident about my purchase. They don't seem like the types who would do that.

There's my 2 cents.

Hate to revive a dead thread but just wondering what this guys thinking now cause he clearly got screwed over on that desert female purchase.