Switching from live mice to f/t rats !!!HELP!!!

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Deborah I think it is you who are wrong in feeding your BP's in their enclosure and tub feeding is not a myth for newbies because I am experienced on BP husbandry

well ok than, so since you are so experienced and apparently me and countless of other breeders and keepers are doing it wrong you should have no problem fixing your issue, I am actually surprise you even asked since you seems to know so much more than most of us

[kxr]

well ok than, so since you are so experienced and apparently me and countless of other breeders and keepers are doing it wrong you should have no problem fixing your issue, I am actually surprise you even asked since you seems to know so much more than most of us

This made me laugh


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[highqualityballz]

If i were you id feed in their enclosures and get them eating live rats and then try f/t rats.

[ballpythonsrock2]

well ok than, so since you are so experienced and apparently me and countless of other breeders and keepers are doing it wrong you should have no problem fixing your issue, I am actually surprise you even asked since you seems to know so much more than most of us

I totally agree with you Deborah. I noticed it right off that they weren't here to get advice. Maybe it was their subtle way of coming here to "help" us out who are so in need of their advice. I say good luck too, it can work to feed in an outside tub, (after a LOT of effort and training) and does sometimes, but it goes against their nature and is based on a lie really, which most of us here know is a lie. Their nature is to be ready and eat out of their hides and enclosures. So bringing food into the enclosure is the best way to keep them unstressed. And I agree with s chapman that they are not stupid, and that is why they can tell the difference and are use to my hand reaching in. I've only been slightly tagged once and that was when I was trying to reach in and retrieve a dropped mouse with tweezers. My snake was saying "leave that mouse alone. I got this."

[Gruba]

I don't want to continue feeding these 2 in their primary enclosure though because doing so will also set me up to get "tagged" because they'll start to think that me reaching into their tank means food ergo me getting bitten. So how do I get them used eating outside their tanks? Also rats are illegal in Alberta so I can't do live mice to live rats.

I've only had my bp about 3 months. I am far from an experienced or expert handler. HOWEVER, I have always fed my snake live and in his enclosure. I also handle my snake daily, except feeding day and 1-2 days after. My 3.5 son handles my snake and is even able to take him out of the enclosure, with supervision. NO ONE in my house has been bit by my snake. Again, I'm no expert but based on my own experiences, as well as what I've read on here and other bp informational sites, feeding in the enclosure does not make it any more likely to be bit.
As a side note: I live quite close to an spca accredited bp rescue and they also feed in the enclosure's, I've handled a couple snakes there and had no concerns. Even with the shy/nervous snake.

From what I read in this thread, you have been given good advice and your responses have been a little rude. If you ask for advice, you should be open to advice.

[cletus]

If i were you id feed in their enclosures and get them eating live rats and then try f/t rats.

I agree with this. I fed live pups a couple times before I switched to f/t pups and it worked out great. As far as whether or not to feed in the enclosure or not, I've always fed in their enclosure. Not for any reason in particular, I just never saw a reason not to.

[s.chapman]

http://www.rcreptiles.com/blog/index...on_in_its_tank

read it and learn something.

basically you can either condition BP's feed mode (tub feeding) or let it run rampid (enclosure feeding)and tap them on the nose or spray them with water (unpleasant for the snake) before handling. Which would you want for a companion? Pleasant and calm all the time or unpredictable and nippy unless scolded by getting tapped or sprayed before they can be handled?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

http://www.rcreptiles.com/blog/index...on_in_its_tank

read it and learn something.

Lol that figures, wonder how thousands of animals are fed in their enclosures and how they do not mistake their owner's hand for food....again it's a myth it's been debunked many moons ago just like the fact that feeding live makes a snake more aggressive (another myth).

Sadly some myths are still very much alive because of people like yourself perpetuating them, good thing around here it's about facts and education.

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[s.chapman]

I joined this forum for some friendly advice as how to do so many changes I had to get my BP's used to and instead I receive useless lazy advice that I could have simply gotten off google AND to top it all off I get shoved down my throat that I shouldn't be tub feeding my BP's like it's the worst thing in the world and then get told by some ametuer that I'm being rude when I asked an innocent question lmao thank you to all those on this thread (you know who you are) for restoring my faith in the kindness and generosity of the human race. You're all gems! (NOT!!!)

[cletus]

I joined this forum for some friendly advice as how to do so many changes I had to get my BP's used to and instead I receive useless lazy advice that I could have simply gotten off google AND to top it all off I get shoved down my throat that I shouldn't be tub feeding my BP's like it's the worst thing in the world and then get told by some ametuer that I'm being rude when I asked an innocent question lmao thank you to all those on this thread (you know who you are) for restoring my faith in the kindness and generosity of the human race. You're all gems! (NOT!!!)

Nobody was rude to you. You came here and asked some questions. You even stated that were "in over your head". You got some great advice and then started acting like an ass. You need to check yourself.