BP Climbing like a tree python

[Dumdum333]

I would suggest you take that light out, remove wire cage..affix flat wire to top of outside of cage..set light directly on that.. You may need to get a different housing for the bulb that has a shield tht enables you to place light sitting ontop. Avoid potential issues w burns.

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hey can you explain what you mean there?i was also worried about the cage but that's how the petstore recommended it for me.

[Jeanne]

Simply put...remove tht mess from inside tht cage. You should not have a light fixture in there, regardless of tht wire cage around it....it can get hot!!! As I said above in the quote..if u feel u must have that light, it should be on the outside of the cage to avoid any potential issues that may come about w your current setup.

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[Jeanne]

Keep in mind, this may mean modifications to your cage tht you will need to figure out how to accomplish.

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[Jeanne]

You see..the current lighting setup is meant more for lizards who bask moreso than a snake tht does not need a basking spot.

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[Coluber42]

For what it's worth, it seems to me just from poking around various places on the internet that using heat lamps with cages like that inside the enclosure is a pretty common thing in the UK even for snakes; and that radiant heat panels (which are more commonly used to heat snake vivs in the US) are relatively uncommon and expensive, apparently.

So if you can find a group of UK keepers to just check in with on how things are set up, you will probably find more people who use bulbs in cages.

The other thing you can do to set your mind at ease is to temporarily bypass your thermostat or dimmer or whatever and turn up the lamp full blast for a short time just to see how hot the cage can possibly get with the lamp on full power. If you can hold your hand against it for an extended time (like a full minute or more) without getting burned, it's safe for your snake to climb on. If not, you should look into getting a larger cage or a lower wattage bulb, or making the modifications that Jeanne suggested.

[Mangiapane85]

For what it's worth, it seems to me just from poking around various places on the internet that using heat lamps with cages like that inside the enclosure is a pretty common thing in the UK even for snakes; and that radiant heat panels (which are more commonly used to heat snake vivs in the US) are relatively uncommon and expensive, apparently.

So if you can find a group of UK keepers to just check in with on how things are set up, you will probably find more people who use bulbs in cages.

The other thing you can do to set your mind at ease is to temporarily bypass your thermostat or dimmer or whatever and turn up the lamp full blast for a short time just to see how hot the cage can possibly get with the lamp on full power. If you can hold your hand against it for an extended time (like a full minute or more) without getting burned, it's safe for your snake to climb on. If not, you should look into getting a larger cage or a lower wattage bulb, or making the modifications that Jeanne suggested.

Ok, I'm sorry. But I'm pretty sure heat feels the same way in the U.K. As it does here in the U.S... even a 50 watt basking bulb or IR bulb gets freaking hot. And for a "full minute or more"? Yeah, not happening. .. there should be NO reason to put a heat bulb inside of the tank. No matter what country you're in.

And if you are referring to a regulated bulb via dimmer, then it should still be placed outside of the enclosure.

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[KMG]

Well they're all in a rack now, so I guess they won't be climbing anytime soon.

I get your point man. All of them. Your snakes are display animals, mine aren't. The ball pythons anyway. That being said, I interact with my snakes on an every other day basis. They get plenty of exercise. And I'm fully aware that they have the ability to climb. I'm not some savage snake abuser just because my snakes are kept in a rack and they have "nothing" to do. I love my animals just as much as you do.


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I never said you were a "savage snake abuser." Im fine with a rack. I own one. Its not my first choice but I understand their use and purpose.

The issue I had is you were stating observations of snakes that are fairly new to you in an enclosure that did not allow for them to show you the action you were disputing. You were shown and told by members with plenty of real world observation and experience that Balls are known to climb at times but you stood firm in what appeared to be a belief they only live in a termite mound and others(me) need to "study the species." Maybe one day once you have been a long time member you will see a similar thread and see exactly how you came off to others as a newer keeper and member.

I welcome you here and I truly do not wish to be an "opposing force" to you. You seem to be a great snake owner and are putting together a nice collection in a nice snake room. You have the passion and that is easy to see. I don't wish to be an enemy to anyone here and only look to help others however I can.

I think we can now agree that a Ball will and can climb if they need but it is not their primary activity and are much more at home on the ground.

[KMG]

Heat may feel the same but Coluber42 is correct when it comes to keepers in the UK. The members from there continually have a hard time finding the gear they need to setup an ideal enclosure. Things are just not readily available to them as it is here to us.

When you think about things like thermostats. Even here in the US we really don't have that many great options. The market is not flooded with great tstats like Herpstats and when you look at the market in the UK it is much smaller.

[Dumdum333]

yeah I can't see how I'd get the bulb in without cutting a huge hole in the viv, which I can already tell would just be a disaster.
It might be because the humidity in London is super high?
I like the bulb because it keeps the cage lit think i'll start a new thread to see opinions?

[KMG]

yeah I can't see how I'd get the bulb in without cutting a huge hole in the viv, which I can already tell would just be a disaster.
It might be because the humidity in London is super high?
I like the bulb because it keeps the cage lit think i'll start a new thread to see opinions?

If the light is only needed for light a LED bulb would run at a much lower temp and save electricity too.