How long to wait to breed after first breeding?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Breeder said she laid in late may and is now back up to size. Im not one of those people that is in it for the money and am not in a rush at all, just wanted to know if she'd be ready for this coming season.

I would pair her but not before strict quarantine.

[highqualityballz]

I would pair her but not before strict quarantine.

Can quarantine be dont in the same room but different rack as rest of the snakes? Is quarantine 100% necessary, not gonna lie ive never quarantined before?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Can quarantine be dont in the same room but different rack as rest of the snakes? Is quarantine 100% necessary, not gonna lie ive never quarantined before?

Do you value your collection? That will answer whether or not quarantine is necessary.

While many people will not report that they have lost part of their collection or their entire collection because of failure to properly quarantine I know some people who have (one of them thinking what are the chances and that it would not happen to them) and here is a story that may make you change your mind http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=220629, prime example of being in a rush wanting to breed soon as possible and bypassing quarantine.

Personally I have invested too many years, too much money and I value my animal way to much to take a risk and bypass quarantine, ultimately YOUR choice.

[MontyP2016]

I agree with OtorresUSMC in that no matter how much info is out there, people will pick and choose what to believe and which fact/opinion works best for them. Even reading 2 highly different opinions here, I still got something out of BOTH and will add that to my think tank for the next time I need some info on this subject. Speaking of 'in the wild' there is a huge argument that goes (who even knows how far back), about maternal incubation vs. technology. No matter what FACTS you have on the subject, there are just as many FACTS backing the other side of the argument, so in turn it all boils down to what's best for each individual (hopefully with the animals best well being in mind). In the wild they do breed and thrive, but also many die (young and old) due to disease, rodent bites & infection, etc., things which CAN be highly prevented in captivity. In my home I cannot afford to lose snakes due to things which can be prevented.

[Juicebøx]

What I got from you wrote is that you are insecure in regards to view points which are not precisely aligned with your own. That's what I got. Particularly your usage of caps with "COMMON SENSE and EXPERIENCE and YOU" which is considered yelling. Even members who are not moderators know this.

Not all breeders out there espouse Deborah's views. If you find that unsettling then please consider skipping over future posts of mine as I will not vet links prior to pasting them in order to ensure your safe space remains unviolated. I'm not your yes man. Feel free to ban me now if you find this unacceptable.

Not trying to "get involved in a 'fight'", but I will interject a few things from a neutral point of view.

First, I don't think Deborah was trying to belittle, demean or discredit anything you posted... the problem with forums, and trying to "chat" online like this, is there is no timbre possible, so while I read her post one way, you obviously took it a different way. I don't think she meant it the way you received it.

Second, and related to the point above, while CAPS can be used as yelling, it is commonly understood that if you are only capitalizing one or two words, it is more for emphasis, and not to "yell". There is a difference between typing "NEVER do that" (adding emphasis to the single word never) and typing "NEVER DO THAT" which is more of what I read as yelling. The rule of thumb I have tried my best to use when conversing online, is if it can be read two different ways, they USUALLY meant it the way that was non-offensive. (again, emphasis... not yelling). The logic behind this mentality, is that you and I don't actually know each other. If I want to be offensive, I can hide behind my firewall of anonymity and be as offensive as I want... so anything that is "borderline" is usually me misreading something. Just my .02¢

Back on topic, I knew a lady who had 1.1 normal ball pythons in the same tank year-round. Her female would lay eggs every year, she would take them to the local reptile shop and sell them for $5-10 per egg... and walk away. Does that mean that I, personally, would do that? Nope... but I'm not saying it's not totally possible.

[OTorresUSMC]

This is why generally i will use quotation marks instead of caps. Gets your emphasis without the appearance of yelling 😆 but that is neither here nor there with this post. I think we as human beings sometimes tend to over think things. Then at the other end of the spectrum there are people who act haphazardly. The take away from that is that old addage (spelling??) Of there is more than one way to skin a cat. Its up to each individual person to decide if they want whats easiest or best for them or whats best for the animal. My advice would be this, pay attention to your animals. If they are healthy and exhibiting normal behavior than carry on. If on the other hand they are showing some aberrant pattern then step back and reevaluate. While breeding may not be an "exact"(quotes no caps haha) science it is still science (biology i think &#129300 and as such methods can be refined for optimum success. Because we have taken these animals into our care this should be every breeders goal and commitment in my opinion. Just my soap box moment.

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