So, what would you call this funky morph combo? Paradox super black? Paradox panda?

[wendhend]

So, I hatched this little guy a few months ago from a black pewter pied X black pastel het pied pairing, and I'm still not completely sure what he is. My best guesses are paradox super black pastel het pied or maybe paradox low white panda pied. Maybe some kind of ringer? Has anyone seen anything like him? What would YOU call this funky morph combo?

[redshepherd]

EPIC. That is all.

[Seven-Thirty]

I think it's a super black pastel het pied paradox possible pastel. The bug eyes are a little weird though.

[Rikoku]

Man, I would kill to have a snake that awesome looking! Loving the color and even tho bug eyes on Lesser BEL's are weird, they are pretty awesome looking here. Beautiful snake! Lucky You!!!!

[piedlover79]

Wow! That is really odd looking. That would be a *lot* of white to just be a ringer, but I suppose the ringer on a super black pastel might end up really strange.

I have to admit though that the bug eyes kinda creep me out. I've just produced a male black pastel pied and now I have to spend the next two years deciding if I'm going to breed him back to his black pastel pied momma or not...I really want a perfect Panda...but I'm worried about kinks, duckbill, and now bug eyes. Sigh.

[Seven-Thirty]

Wow! That is really odd looking. That would be a *lot* of white to just be a ringer, but I suppose the ringer on a super black pastel might end up really strange.

I have to admit though that the bug eyes kinda creep me out. I've just produced a male black pastel pied and now I have to spend the next two years deciding if I'm going to breed him back to his black pastel pied momma or not...I really want a perfect Panda...but I'm worried about kinks, duckbill, and now bug eyes. Sigh.

The bug eyes aren't a normal problem. I think this particular snake's bug eyes are a result of the paradox; depending on what causes the paradox. I wouldn't call this snake a pied either considering super black pastel pieds tend to be very very high white which is what makes the panda pied to elusive. From what I understand, it's a gamble when it comes to the super cinnamons/super black pastels/8 balls in that the super form is either hit or miss. Apparently the kinking is somewhat relatively rare but still entirely possible. I've seen those clutches go around 60/40 with 60% being no kinking. There are, I think, 2-3 super cinnamon/super black pastel/8 ball clutches this year on youtube but they were all parthenogenesis clutches which usually results in deformities anyway.

[Hannahshissyfix]

I'd call him a send to me and I'll let you know!

[PitOnTheProwl]

The eyes do kill it for me. Sorry.

[piedlover79]

Someone just posted on Kingsnake a 'False Panda Pied' that looks like this without the brown markings, his is a known super cinnamon het pied from a male that throws het pied supers with extreme ringers just like this.

[Hannahshissyfix]

Anyone want to give me $900?