When people force their own agendas on animals...

[Willowy]

Lol! Where do they think store meat comes from? At least people in this state get to see where meat comes from every day.

I'm reminded of a story I read---someone mentioned that they have chickens, and a customer asked why they kept chickens. She said for the eggs, and could be meat but they're pets so they personally keep them for eggs only. The customer said "ewwww, you eat something that comes out of a chicken's butt?" so she said "um, yeah, don't you eat eggs?". The customer says "yeah but I get eggs at the store so they didn't come from chickens". Oookkkkk. . . .sometimes there are just no words .

[DennisM]

I'm thinking about planting a steak tree, I think the cows would appreciate that.

[4theSNAKElady]

lol...this thread is making me laugh!

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[OhhWatALoser]

It is entirely possible to feed any animal vegan diet in theory, but we lack and/or have conflicting info on what humans need. What the heck makes people think we have the info need to do the same to a random animal. Even with the theoretical correct nutrition info, then we need to somehow make a meal that will survive getting squeezed, smells like rodent, retain body heat temps for the picky eaters. Even after that I don't see it being economical. The image of a snake coiling around sushi looking thing in my head is fairly entertaining though.

As for the comment about teeth.... You do realize human teeth pretty much a herbivore as it gets without actually being there. Our canine teeth are pathetic.

I sit on the fringe on the vegan community. I don't even eat vegan all the time, but eventually I may. I will say the community is full of irrational people. It can be hard to look past the illogical crap said to really see the benefits and rational part of vegan diet. For many it's not just a diet, it's a lifestyle/cult. I just have leave it there or I will rant for a while.

[Jeanne]

Uggg that post w the stab at hunters..wow. I am a hunter, I do hunt to fill my freezers for my family..why?

Because put simply, I have developed a sensitivty to penicillin based meds, one I did not have all my prior 42 years... Coincidently, pennicillin is the most widely and common used med on our domestic live stock. I quit buying meats in the stores a few years ago to avoid pennicillin laced meats. Its not proven that that is indeed what caused my penicillin allergy, however, its only thing I can reasonably think that caused said allergy.

I was raised in a family that hunted our lands... And wasnt until later in life when I started buying store bought meats, my allergy developed. We only kill what we intend on eating..and dont kill something we wouldnt eat..our rule is, if you kill it, u best be planning on eating it.

I too dont understand why people must force their beliefs onto critters as far as what they eat... Eat and let eat!

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[JodanOrNoDan]

It is entirely possible to feed any animal vegan diet in theory, but we lack and/or have conflicting info on what humans need. What the heck makes people think we have the info need to do the same to a random animal. Even with the theoretical correct nutrition info, then we need to somehow make a meal that will survive getting squeezed, smells like rodent, retain body heat temps for the picky eaters. Even after that I don't see it being economical. The image of a snake coiling around sushi looking thing in my head is fairly entertaining though.

As for the comment about teeth.... You do realize human teeth pretty much a herbivore as it gets without actually being there. Our canine teeth are pathetic.

I sit on the fringe on the vegan community. I don't even eat vegan all the time, but eventually I may. I will say the community is full of irrational people. It can be hard to look past the illogical crap said to really see the benefits and rational part of vegan diet. For many it's not just a diet, it's a lifestyle/cult. I just have leave it there or I will rant for a while.

I pretty much agree with you. Humans have a swiss army knife type of mouth. Able to handle many things but perfect for none. We really have no need for the canines. We do not catch things with our mouths. There is also the whole digestion thing. You may be able to get it in but digesting well it is another matter entirely. I know people that are vegan and some that are vegetarian. Some it seems to work for and others just look unhealthy. I tried to seriously cut down on my meat intake at one point. It didn't work well for me. I felt like crap all the time. I am a high physical activity person and require the proteins and fats. I imagine there are ways to get a lot of that from vegetable matter but that would require far greater effort than I am willing to put in.

[OhhWatALoser]

I pretty much agree with you. Humans have a swiss army knife type of mouth. Able to handle many things but perfect for none. We really have no need for the canines. We do not catch things with our mouths. There is also the whole digestion thing. You may be able to get it in but digesting well it is another matter entirely. I know people that are vegan and some that are vegetarian. Some it seems to work for and others just look unhealthy. I tried to seriously cut down on my meat intake at one point. It didn't work well for me. I felt like crap all the time. I am a high physical activity person and require the proteins and fats. I imagine there are ways to get a lot of that from vegetable matter but that would require far greater effort than I am willing to put in.

It comes down to being educated on what the average human needs and what to eat to get it. Then you begin to modify it to fit you specifically generally just based on how you feel. I have a physically active job, so trust me it is possible to get your energy from plant based foods. But what works for me may not work for you, something that many people can't seem to accept, we are all different. My non veganism is out of pure laziness, i go out to eat with co workers, wife cooks stuff at home, go out to the bar. I don't turn down meals lol.

However getting back to the OP, I would never force my diet on my animals. If I thought it was healthier, feasible, and cost effective, no doubt I would try it, but I don't see any of that being true currently.

[StillBP]

As a general rule, humans are dumber than a bag of hammers...

or a soup sandwich

[cchardwick]

I tried to feed my tarantula a hot dog. He didn't eat it.

[gsarchie]

The term that you are looking for is "obligate carnivore," which is an animal that must eat parts of other animals in order to thrive. Yeah, snakes fall into that category.

As for vegans, a rare few do not eat vegan for the animals. My mom recently became a vegan after watching the awful "documentary" titled Forks Over Knives. While that documentary was nonsense, she changed her diet and removed processed foods as part of becoming vegan and her blood pressure dropped below what it was while on blood pressure meds and her cholesterol dropped 50 points. She still eats a bit of meat once in a great while and support hunting and fishing.