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Re: I didnt know where to put this... selfish or not? (Long Post)
 Originally Posted by Deborah
No one is badmouthing people down on their luck and those who actually really need help, the only ones badmouthed here are the people who feel entitled those who want to use the system get a free ride by getting a snake with someone else money which is SHAMEFUL at the very least.....can't help if YOU take it personally, it was your question and no matter how you spin it, how you call it, whether it's active or not, it's just YOU trying to justify the idea of getting a free ride (and you have done that a lot for someone with a fictional scenario)
Bottom line it is still what it it getting a free ride, taking the easy way, and truly if you can't afford a $200 own your own and need other to pay for it than you should not have that snake to start with, let alone have it part of a breeding project.
If you want to do it and can live with it than by all mean do so, are you expecting to be praised too? Oh and that will look good in your BIO to if one day you have your own website 
I would say calling everyone not physically or mentally disabled in need "helpless" is bad-mouthing. From what I've seen volunteering at a food pantry is that its mostly just a situation out of their control then it is really tough to get out of that situation. Especially for refugees fleeing war. I wouldn't call them helpless by any means, just that they have no options. I understand what you mean, though. You have a really strong bias toward people that don't work for money. Probably because you work very hard for your money so you are very protective of it. It is a difference of opinion we have in that I see putting out a goal and getting donations for it as not a shameful thing. The point of this post was for me to play the devil's advocate and see how your side (the side that sees using strangers money as shameful) thinks and feels in this situation. I think I mentioned that I've never crowdfunded and had no plans to do it it is just alien to me to how people can think it's shameful to put up something saying "trying to get a beautiful snake, donate here to help if you want".
For what it's worth I have two websites already and I work as a computer engineer for a healthcare company contracted by the DoD. I also am in the recruiting process of Google so I may or may not be in Silicone Valley soon in case anyone was curious about me. To get the snake I'd have to wait like another 2 weeks for paycheck, I purposely didn't mention this because I didn't want it to make a difference with reasoning how fast I could make the 300 and wanted to see if that was a reason for someone's thoughts. This whole scenario started as a joke because I wanted a couple of cool snakes at the same time and it escalated way more than I could have imagined.
Some final thoughts I have are that people get surprisingly polarized about this situation. I've asked many people this question since this even happened and it's split pretty evenly over people that think it's fine and people that think it's the most selfish thing since Judas. Another surprising thing is the amount of assumptions people make about others they have never met. From their husbandry (yes I'm still salty) to their experiences to their age to how smart come off as based off a difference of opinion in a definition about what is begging and what isn't and preconceived notions about what begging means to them. I've decided that after a few days of this I'm pretty tired of talking about it and extra tired of ageism that is starting to happen, so I doubt I'll respond anymore. Feel free to keep talking if you want I'll probably throw some thanks here and there if I agree. Also feel free to message if you think it's an interesting topic or want to discuss morals more (as long as you stay civil).
In the end, donate how you want be careful about asking for things cause some people get pissed. And I hope this didn't cause too many people to hate me.
P.S. I felt kinda bad for even fictionally taking money based off some of these comments so I donated some money to my local zoo.
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