nope not any of those! i had a rose hair, held her. also had a chaco golden knee same family as rose hair but bigger, held that one too. had an avic, held her and my daughter pink toe is easy to hold. i had alot larger collection of geckos, t's, lizards,frogs i downsized alot to focus just on green trees and ball pythons. i still have a few t's and the cresteds 1.2, but i'm going to try breeding the chondros and the balls

thanks

vaughn