Hybrid talk

[Hypancistrus]

The problem for me is not the hybrid as much as it is the ethic of breeding hybrids.

Imagine 3, 5, 10 generations from now when someone buys a BP, Carpet etc or so they thought but the animal is just the result of several generation of hybridization and is not pure, that to me is where the issue lies and we have already seen that issue in Colubrids.

The only issue I see with hybrids is what everyone else has pointed out, transparency with the breeder so the customer knows what they are actually getting.

The biggest problem I see with hybrids is that even when the ORIGINAL breeder is as transparent and honest as possible... with how often reptiles are swapped, that honestly and lineage may be accidentally or purposefully lost in subsequent buyers, which then muddies the gene pool considerably. If you consider herp keeping as "just a hobby," it seems like not as big a deal... but if you consider it to be a repository of genetics that might someday become useful should the animal become threatened or endangered, it becomes a very serious issue indeed.

So while I have kept and do keep hybrids (a jungle corn and a creamsicle corn), I'm not certain that it's a good thing for the hobby to be engaging in.

[cristacake]

I'm really interested in python hybrids because it seems nobody wants to talk about them! I don't know about anyone else but to me, the prospect of an entirely new kind of animal is exciting from a learning standpoint. I think most of us loved learning about new animals when we were kids, and when we got into herps and all of a sudden everything was so much more complex than with mammals.

I see the issues as far as breeding hybrids to other snakes and "polluting the gene pool", but I would be thrilled to learn more about the hybrids themselves and would not even bother breeding them if I had them. I think it should be a one and done kind of deal.

But of course, I'm not everyone, and people would definitely acquire them to breed them, for whatever reasons /:

To me, breeding out a hybrid defeats the entire purpose of creating them in the first place! Or at least the purpose I would have in mind: Observing, caring for, and learning about the hybrid animal itself. There's such a dearth of data (and pictures ) of python hybrids, at least that I have been able to find. That makes me want to know about them even more.


Also, just throwing this out there... Ball Python x Blood Python = Royal Blood Python

[PitOnTheProwl]

Also, just throwing this out there... Ball Python x Blood Python = Royal Blood Python

Its called a Superball

[cristacake]

Its called a Superball

Thanks, I had seen somewhere that the Superball was a Borneo rather than a Blood?

[Zincubus]

So I was doing reading and seeing how atleast 80% of people maybe a little more say it's wrong and you shouldn't play god and what not but what are we doing when we cross a pastel to a spider to get a bumblebee we are playing god by forcing something that wouldn't occur in nature lol because we all know that theirs now way a spider and pastel would meet but I do get how people would see that it is but to me it's no different and want to hear your opinions and I know I probably could have used a better example just thought it would be easy that way

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My only hybrid snake :-

He is a Imperial Peublan
Kingsnake x Pueblan Milk snake hybrid

[GoingPostal]

Please explain your statement. Feel free to explode my brain.

From part of what you had quoted and agreed to above. Unintended and unexpected health issues as an ethical concern in breeding. There are no shortage of morphs with "problems" from the lethal to deformations to reproductive issues. If that is a concern against hybrid breeding why not morph breeding, you don't know until you try after all? I am not a breeder and not pro hybrid in the least although I would consider one as a pet.

[Zincubus]

From part of what you had quoted and agreed to above. Unintended and unexpected health issues as an ethical concern in breeding. There are no shortage of morphs with "problems" from the lethal to deformations to reproductive issues. If that is a concern against hybrid breeding why not morph breeding, you don't know until you try after all? I am not a breeder and not pro hybrid in the least although I would consider one as a pet.

I don't breed snakes just collect them but I don't really see any problems with the principle of breeding hybrids to be honest .


I wonder if it's a similar situation to dogs ..... the mongrels seem to be stronger and healthier than the pedigrees who are all seemingly full of imperfections and faults ....