Hybrid talk

[Slim]

Lol this is better then I thought

Anytime you think it's too quiet around here, just crank up the Hybrid discussion...

Or mention that Big Gunns was the best member of this Forum EVER! (OG inside joke)

[PitOnTheProwl]

Or mention that Big Gunns was the best member of this Forum EVER! (OG inside joke)

PitOnTheProwl doesn't think so.

[Yodawagon]

I think it all comes down to personal preference. I personally do not see any interest in a hybrid. In fact I don't really have interest in owning a mix of localities either. But that is just me everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Look at the super dwarf reticulated python. I would love to get my hands on a 100% pure super dwarf but I can't because they've all been mixed with mainland in order to pick up the morph genetics. I know there are some pure super dwarfs out there, but they're kind of like a needle in a haystack right now. The way I look at it is, just because you can doesn't mean you doesn't mean you should. Look at the Pontiac aztek.

[jclaiborne]

I think it all comes down to personal preference. I personally do not see any interest in a hybrid. In fact I don't really have interest in owning a mix of localities either. But that is just me everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Look at the super dwarf reticulated python. I would love to get my hands on a 100% pure super dwarf but I can't because they've all been mixed with mainland in order to pick up the morph genetics. I know there are some pure super dwarfs out there, but they're kind of like a needle in a haystack right now. The way I look at it is, just because you can doesn't mean you doesn't mean you should. Look at the Pontiac aztek.

I agree with this, while I don't see an issue with hybrids (I am intrigued by how they look) I personally wouldn't own any, I honestly have zero interest in morphs as well, they are pretty to look at, but that's about it. As I said earlier what I don't agree with is it being condemned...

[Slim]

what I don't agree with is it being condemned...

What I've learned over the years is that I can condemn it AND defend someone's right to do it in the same breath.

[jclaiborne]

What I've learned over the years is that I can condemn it AND defend someone's right to do it in the same breath.

I understand that and I am not trying to argue semantics, but to speak in 100% absolutes like that based solely on opinion vs. facts comes across as closed minded, if I were to say, "all morphs are an abomination and no one should manipulate genetics to get pretty colors because that's how I feel" the hate posts would come rushing in. I just don't get why hybridization is so taboo. So in your opinion would you feel that every wolf hybrid and mule out there are an abomination?

[Slim]

but to speak in 100% absolutes like that based solely on opinion vs. facts comes across as closed minded

The fact that my "abomination" comment is my opinion was implied, given the context.

So in your opinion would you feel that every wolf hybrid and mule out there are an abomination?

Actually, Yes. But again, that would be my opinion.

[DennisM]

... why does no one care about the diamond X coastal carpet python hybrids I love pure diamonds but hate hybrids

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carpet x diamond is not a hybrid, they are the same species, morelia spilota. this is an example of an intergrade. these two subspecies also happen to intergrade in the wild where their ranges overlap. they're quite nice snakes.

[DennisM]

carpet x diamond is not a hybrid, they are the same species, morelia spilota. this is an example of an intergrade. these two subspecies also happen to intergrade in the wild where their ranges overlap. they're quite nice snakes.

not to say intergrades don't come with many of the same issues. the carpet python world is full of "who really knows what it is" snakes. many of the colubrid "hybrids" are also really intergrades of sub species of the same species. as others have noted, it can difficult to recognize this integration, especially when the original 50/50 offspring are then mated to just a single of the subspecies for a few generations. eventually you'll get to 1/16 and 1/32 ssp which can easily be mistaken/passed off for pure.

[DennisM]

... these two subspecies also happen to intergrade in the wild where their ranges overlap.

and maybe more to the point, there are well established populations of what the pet trade calls DCI (Diamond Coastal Intergade). these are not the result of a diamond mating with a coastal. they are a distinct population that is made up of DCIs. maybe they're not DCIs at all. some would say morelia spilota is morelia spilota and these three (diamond, coastal and DCI) are just regional variations of the same thing that have adapted to differing ecosystems over millennia. for all we know the snakes we consider to be the intergrades may well be the founding race.