Working on a new App. Am I wasting my time?

[Naxas]

thanks for the info Ufoo9k

Anyone else have any ideas on what they would like to see in an app to track data? even if its something you like/dislike about apps you have used?

[Kokorobosoi]

I'd like to see feeder information, and the ability to link it to my alerts. I.e., alert to feed tubs a-l. And if my snakes weights and preferred feeders are imputed then give me a list of how many of what I need.

Ive had the ultimate blonde moment of 9 hungry reptiles.....and 7 feeder rodents. Whoops.

I'd like something to include other herps. I have pythons, boas, beardies, a monitor, a chameleon, and feeder colonies for... Well let's say everyone. things slip through the cracks sometimes.

This is a pipedream but I'd cheerfully pay for something that can tell me, if I input my rat litters, if I'm going to have enough pups/small rats/etc for the next feedings.

[Naxas]

I'd like to see feeder information, and the ability to link it to my alerts. I.e., alert to feed tubs a-l. And if my snakes weights and preferred feeders are imputed then give me a list of how many of what I need.

Ive had the ultimate blonde moment of 9 hungry reptiles.....and 7 feeder rodents. Whoops.

I'd like something to include other herps. I have pythons, boas, beardies, a monitor, a chameleon, and feeder colonies for... Well let's say everyone. things slip through the cracks sometimes.

This is a pipedream but I'd cheerfully pay for something that can tell me, if I input my rat litters, if I'm going to have enough pups/small rats/etc for the next feedings.

hmm alright but i would be able to add animals on updates

i only have bp's boas a hognose and scorpions i would need the info on more animals for more functions

adding a colony tracker but i only run a roach colony tho

and a rodent breeding tracker wouldn't be to hard i have had a program running for rats and mice for a while

[OhhWatALoser]

ill give my 2 cents

I plan on making a secure marketplace with a payment system similar to Paypal with payment plan options to be set by seller (autopay, etc.). (Free app users will be able to buy from this market but not able to sell.)

If your not amazon google or paypal. I'm not giving you my credit card number to hold onto.

The marketplace will allow you to post animals for sale, with the ability to allow potential buyers to see all info tracked on that animal since it was an egg (feeding, shedding, general husbandry, etc.) and also the parents (Where they came from, Issues such as “wobbles”, Husbandry, etc.). This will allow responsible breeders more free time as it will make e-mailing and phone communications unnecessary, as well as selling their animals faster. This will also eliminate irresponsible breeders as their animals would be unlikely to sell without the for mentioned information.

A small side note: Double het animals would be better tracked making them slightly easier to sell

- buy (no trade offers will be allowed here)
- sell
- trade
- the ability to offer less with a 1 click deny or accept for seller. I plan on making a back end minimum accepted amount so the seller will only receive this if the minimum is met. Otherwise the offer will be auto rejected on a delay so people would not be able to keep offering until the minimum is met, essentially "masking" the minimum.
- An auction type system where 1 click buy and bid system would be incorporated similar to e-bay

communication between the buyer and seller is an absolute must imo. these are animals not ipads. Having much of the information available pre communication isn't a bad by any means, but to say its unnecessary? I can't see myself buying an animal without some sort of human interaction, even if it is just email. How do I know the animal didn't get sold locally or die, maybe it has mites now. I just send money and hope it shows up? nah. also the way it reads, I feel like someone like me might be punished, I track feedings on animals I'm selling, that's it. I don't track my own animals as I see it as a waste of time, I don't track sheds or defecation on anything as I see it as pointless info. Am I going to be seen as the irresponsible breeder on this website? Problem I have with the offer system is as a seller, what I will accept has many variables that change day to day and a lot of it has to do with the human interaction also

secure transaction loans (free app users will not be able to access this section)
- Create a new revenue stream for breeders that have snakes not involved in projects. As well as allow a cheaper way to work on new projects by smaller breeders. (genetic diversity people we neeeeeeed it)

This would be another thread but my take, we don't need genetic diversity, we need selective breeding.

- Requests for loaned animals
- post animals available for loan. A "rental fee" etc. may be set by loaner (i know rental fee sounds cold as we all love our animals but i couldn't think of another term at the moment)
- Deposits (set by lender and enforced by the site) to make it easier to lend a snake with less worry as well as protecting the buyer as the deposit is never in the hands of the lender it is held by 3rd party.
- the ability to view your loans status via the lendee's tracking (also the ability to charge fees for not appropriately updating the status of snakes that are loaned to you, pics if required etc., to be set by lender, and paid to the lender). The lender would be able to view this at any time.
- I have many ideas on this that are yet to be hashed out.

with the above 2 items there will most likely be some sort of % based payment to the site, as there would be no way to keep it going without a viable income stream. The % will be small such as 5 cents on the dollar or less

Loans carry a lot of risk for both parties so they are pretty rare. I don't know how much use you would see from this.

I also feel you are putting a lot of responsibility on yourself with the 3rd party payments. The idea works fine when everyone is happy, but when animals do unpredictable things or people lie, how are these issue going to be dealt with while you are holding onto my money? I know you have have a lot to hash out, but these are some of my thoughts as I read through. hope it helps

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Unrealistic as described

I plan on making a secure marketplace with a payment system similar to Paypal with payment plan options to be set by seller (autopay, etc.). (Free app users will be able to buy from this market but not able to sell.)

Unless you have a button that pays the breeder DIRECTLY using one of the major online payment system (Paypal, amazon etc) this will not work, no one will give their credit card number to someone that no one knows and has no track records in this industry (people have done that in the past and it didn’t work out too good). There is also the issue of people pay and YOU process the transaction and then YOU send the money to the breeder? That would require a lot of faith on both parts. So what if the buyer pays, you process the transaction and the seller never gets the fund (for whatever reason)? You then have an impatient buyer and thing can go south very quickly even if the seller is not at fault.

The marketplace will allow you to post animals for sale, with the ability to allow potential buyers to see all info tracked on that animal since it was an egg (feeding, shedding, general husbandry, etc.) and also the parents (Where they came from, Issues such as “wobbles”, Husbandry, etc.). This will allow responsible breeders more free time as it will make e-mailing and phone communications unnecessary, as well as selling their animals faster. This will also eliminate irresponsible breeders as their animals would be unlikely to sell without the for mentioned information

Tracking it all? Most people don’t track it all some don’t track anything at all, I know you are saying that you are a breeder but you must not have hatched many animals otherwise you would see the issue with the idea, it’s easy for someone that has 3 or 4 clutches to track food, poop, shed, urate…..someone hatching hundreds or thousands of animals a year will not track any of that (and I don't understand how you equal that to being irresponsible). When buying an animal you will know what the animal eats, and the hatch date (if you buy from a large scale breeder), if you buy from a smaller scale breeder you may get a feeding record.

Now even if breeders were recording everything the data entry would be a turn off. Have you look around at typical ads, you have the necessary info (year,mutation, sex) and when people show interest they just ask for more info (that usually does not include when the snake ate or poop or shed), feeding records are usually provided at the time of purchase, imagine entering lengthy data for hundreds or thousands of animals.

The idea of the more data to prevent "unnecessary" communication is not a good idea, you might get that idea from some breeders who have shopping carts on their site but I guarantee that before the person click on add to cart there is still communication going on. As a buyer I like to gauge the person I am buying from and ask specific details (I don't care when the snake shed or poop or how many times he had), and also while most breeders will sell to anyone and may appreciate a cart system a few like myself like to gauge potential customers as well and be able to refuse the sale. (can't do that without communication)


The auction thing not my cup of tea but to each their own, I look for quality animals not the cheapest thing around.

- Create a new revenue stream for breeders that have snakes not involved in projects. As well as allow a cheaper way to work on new projects by smaller breeders. (genetic diversity people we neeeeeeed it)
- Requests for loaned animals
- post animals available for loan. A "rental fee" etc. may be set by loaner (i know rental fee sounds cold as we all love our animals but i couldn't think of another term at the moment)
- Deposits (set by lender and enforced by the site) to make it easier to lend a snake with less worry as well as protecting the buyer as the deposit is never in the hands of the lender it is held by 3rd party.

Awful idea the majority of breeding loans are nothing but trouble when done by people that have known each other for years so imagine between strangers, you also don’t realize that snake loans are not like other animal loans it’s not about stud fees.

Having goals is great however you need to understand how this unique market works, and what people on each side would like to see.

[Naxas]

ill give my 2 cents


If your not amazon google or paypal. I'm not giving you my credit card number to hold onto.



communication between the buyer and seller is an absolute must imo. these are animals not ipads. Having much of the information available pre communication isn't a bad by any means, but to say its unnecessary? I can't see myself buying an animal without some sort of human interaction, even if it is just email. How do I know the animal didn't get sold locally or die, maybe it has mites now. I just send money and hope it shows up? nah. also the way it reads, I feel like someone like me might be punished, I track feedings on animals I'm selling, that's it. I don't track my own animals as I see it as a waste of time, I don't track sheds or defecation on anything as I see it as pointless info. Am I going to be seen as the irresponsible breeder on this website? Problem I have with the offer system is as a seller, what I will accept has many variables that change day to day and a lot of it has to do with the human interaction also


This would be another thread but my take, we don't need genetic diversity, we need selective breeding.


Loans carry a lot of risk for both parties so they are pretty rare. I don't know how much use you would see from this.

I also feel you are putting a lot of responsibility on yourself with the 3rd party payments. The idea works fine when everyone is happy, but when animals do unpredictable things or people lie, how are these issue going to be dealt with while you are holding onto my money? I know you have have a lot to hash out, but these are some of my thoughts as I read through. hope it helps

Thats all been nixed anyways was going back to my original idea. Trying to just get an app to help people not really to make money, its clear a market is not wanted.

all I was trying to do with a market was to make it so people like me I go for a cpl clutches a year, its a hobby, my name is never really going to be out there and I will always have a hard time selling what i cant keep.
I had a different idea that may or may not solve the issue, without a marketplace, anyway but that's for a different time.



I'm just making a tracking app, if anyone wants to put there 2 cents in on what they wanna see in a tracking app go ahead.