I've tried the holding pre-killed by the scruff for almost an hour. didn't work. i don't like harming the rats in all honesty i consider some of them pets and they are completely off of my feeder list. i however really cant stand some one who just flames some one online with out giving any tips or help whats so ever but to say that the person is wrong, there are a lot of new to snakes people who use these forums and such comments while it might come from a good place are wholly unneeded.

i always try to give her something pre-killed first. I've even tried letting a pre-killed lay in her tub over night as some have suggested. I've tried dragging the pre-killed around her tub and letting her follow the scent trail, nada. she in the 3 months we have had her has never once eaten pre-killed. and while she will eat live if offered i just really don't want her getting any more unneeded injuries. a small wound can get infected, many small wounds over the course of an animals life will shorten its life span.

how ever if you have any tips on how to do this other then what has been stated i am open to try something else. as stated i don't take any enjoyment out of stunning a rat, it is emotionally draining to be honest.