Need help choosing female.

[chrid16371]

I want to know what morph of female or females I should get to breed with my super pastel male. Also looking for females for ivory male. I know there's the genetic wizard and I've looked but just want some of the opinions from people on this forum.

Also this isn't something I'm going to run out and do asap. I'm still researching breeding and won't try until I'm completely confident in what I'm doing. Thank you!

[LittleTreeGuy]

I'm just an amature, but I think a question people often overlook is this... What is your goal with breeding? Do you want to do it so you'll have have more snakes for pets, or do you want to sell what you make from the breeding?

If you want to sell them, look at what's hot and in demand. If you want pets, go with what morphs you like.

[blue roses]

On u-tube there are dozens of videos of BP morphs, and many of them will tell you the genetic combinations, that is what i did before i got my new girl. I had a spinner blast boy (spider, pin stripe, pastel). I just picked up an enchee firefly girl (enchee,fire,pastel). The genetics wizard gave me 68 possible combinations. My goal is an enchee super fly (enchee,fire,superpastel) The genetics are there they just have to line up. So i would say since you know what you have, study all the other morphs and decide your ultimate goal. Breed Try for what you like, and is pleasing to you. Because if you don't find homes for them you will be keeping them.

[Chkadii]

Keep in mind, the decision to breed does not end at whether or not you will successfully hatch animals. Are you planning on keeping all of the offspring? Do you have the means to, even if that is not your intent? Will you be able to market the offspring you would like to sell? Are you doing this as a hobby, or hoping to turn it into a business? What is your end goal - to produce something for your collection, or to sell offspring for money? Are you expecting any money received to supplement the costs of keeping and breeding your collection, or are you expecting an overall profit? You don't have to answer me, just use these questions to think it through and develop a game plan.

With your super pastel, anything you pair him to will have pastel in it. Same with the ivory/yellowbelly. Pastel and yellowbelly males tend to be very common, and don't sell for much. Unless you don't count your caging/incubator/electrical costs, and you sell the single gene males as soon as they have a history of eating (4 - 8 times), you may well be selling them at an overall loss. As precious as they may be to us, "ugly" pastels are tough to sell, especially at retail prices.

To "stack the deck" of potential offspring, your best bet - from a business perspective - would be to find females with in-demand genes. Recessives hold their values longest, but hets can be hard to sell, especially without having an established reputation. Hot genes = $$$, both leaving your collection and, more importantly, coming in. You get what you pay for!

That would put you on the right track for selling your first clutches, but from a business plan perspective, it doesn't make sense to breed valuable females to less valuable males, because it's a waste of potential. So to be your personal version of "successful" long term, that may mean holding back more powerful multi-gene males for future breeders, or using the proceeds to buy a more powerful male. You absolutely can breed whatever males to whatever females you want. If you want to breed a normal male to a bamboo clown pied female, go right ahead! It's just not going to get you as much of a variety/price point as pairing a souped up multi-gene male (especially one that can give you visual recessives in your first clutch rather than raising up a bunch of hets).

To actually answer your question, the super pastel would do well with fire, calico/sugar, enchi, hypo, clown, desert ghost (if you want to shoot for the moon) - basically any combination of "cleaner genes". If you can get a multi-gene female with combos of the genes above, even better. Yellowbelly is another good match, but that you could raise up yourself from the ivory's offspring.

The ivory could go to either cleaner genes or dark genes. Since I gave you the cleaner genes already, some interesting darker genes to pair him to are black pastel/cinnamon, GHI, pied, mojave (really anything in the BEL complex).

Some of the genes listed above do make "business sense", and some do not (you probably wouldn't ever pair a super pastel to an adult female desert ghost unless you were shooting for a pastel het DG specifically), but the potential offspring combos will at least be fun to look at and aspire to down the line. My tactic, given those options, would be to get some cleaner gene girls since you can use them with either of your males and get decent results. It helps if you run into a situation where one male isn't breeding and you end up using the other. Dark genes you could add for more variety in your collection, or later down the line if you want to take your project in a different direction (or add a new one). Recessive genes are to breeding what neutrals are to fashion: they look good paired with almost everything! They tend to cost more, but are solid staples to any collection if you have the patience and capacity for hets. It also wouldn't be a bad idea to get female supers, such as a super fire or super enchi. That would prevent you from hatching any single gene animals. Shop for quality, because that is what will separate your pastels/yellowbellys/etc. from the breeder in the next town over.

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[chrid16371]

[QUOTE=Chkadii;2413770]Keep in mind, the decision to breed does not end at whether or not you will successfully hatch animals. Are you planning on keeping all of the offspring? Do you have the means to, even if that is not your intent? Will you be able to market the offspring you would like to sell? Are you doing this as a hobby, or hoping to turn it into a business? What is your end goal - to produce something for your collection, or to sell offspring for money? Are you expecting any money received to supplement the costs of keeping and breeding your collection, or are you expecting an overall profit? You don't have to answer me, just use these questions to think it through and develop a game plan.

It will be more of a hobby at first. If it turns into something then great. I have the space and funds for it. I'm just curious right now. I've successfully hatched Leo's and beardies and want to try this. I do hope for good results and will look into your suggestions. Eventually I will add some more males and females to the mix and use some of the offspring to breed also. Selling probably mostly males and unwanted females. If no one wants them I will have lots of pets! I can always stop pairing them if nothing is being sold.