1st lock of the season

[dylanjwicklund]

You're wrong. You can get supers. They absolutely are compatible. Either your friend was unlucky or didn't have the genes he thought he had. Just like mojave and lesser are different genes but compatible.

Now the color might be a little different but it's the same thing.

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This is a baby from that black pastel to super cinnamon and what I don't get is if they look the same produce the same snakes and are allylic I'm starting to think thier is no 2 genes but one


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[Izzys Keeper]

This is a baby from that black pastel to super cinnamon and what I don't get is if they look the same produce the same snakes and are allylic I'm starting to think thier is no 2 genes but one


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That's a debate that has gone one for a while. BP and cinny were from 2 different imported snakes owned by 2 different people if I remember correctly. One was bred to darker snakes. One was bred to lighter snakes. It is uncertain if these snakes are the same morph so it is generally assumed and accepted that they are AT LEAST different lines or allelic to each other. There are many morphs that are similar to each other than can work with each other. Some can vary from each other, while others look more similar.

Lesser and butter was thought to be different a few years back but now generally are accepted as the same based on how the combos of them look the same. Same with coral glows and bananas

I'm still on the fence with BP and cinny but I personally like to think they are the same. Or at least that the lines have been crossed so many times that it it difficult to distinguish them from each other many times

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[dylanjwicklund]

That's a debate that has gone one for a while. BP and cinny were from 2 different imported snakes owned by 2 different people if I remember correctly. One was bred to darker snakes. One was bred to lighter snakes. It is uncertain if these snakes are the same morph so it is generally assumed and accepted that they are AT LEAST different lines or allelic to each other. There are many morphs that are similar to each other than can work with each other. Some can vary from each other, while others look more similar.

Lesser and butter was thought to be different a few years back but now generally are accepted as the same based on how the combos of them look the same. Same with coral glows and bananas

I'm still on the fence with BP and cinny but I personally like to think they are the same. Or at least that the lines have been crossed so many times that it it difficult to distinguish them from each other many times

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Thanks that helps alot

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[SmoothScales]

This is a baby from that black pastel to super cinnamon and what I don't get is if they look the same produce the same snakes and are allylic I'm starting to think thier is no 2 genes but one
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Do you have pictures of the parents? It could've just been really crap luck because even though mathematics claim 50% will be Cinnamon and 50% will be 8-Balls, it's really that each egg has a 50% chance to be either and not a guarantee that you'll have a clutch that is half of each.

As for Cinnamon and Black Pastel being the same gene...I have to disagree. Yes, they produce similar morphs that are sometimes hard to tell apart. Some of them, while similar, have pretty easy to pick out differences, though.

For instance

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/andromeda/

vs

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...r-emperor-pin/

Yes, the snake's both have similar coloring and patterning, but one, to me, looks much more like a water color painting that's gotten damp with the colors bleeding into each other while the second one starts off with a much sharper contrast. Maybe it's just me.

[dylanjwicklund]

Do you have pictures of the parents? It could've just been really crap luck because even though mathematics claim 50% will be Cinnamon and 50% will be 8-Balls, it's really that each egg has a 50% chance to be either and not a guarantee that you'll have a clutch that is half of each.

As for Cinnamon and Black Pastel being the same gene...I have to disagree. Yes, they produce similar morphs that are sometimes hard to tell apart. Some of them, while similar, have pretty easy to pick out differences, though.

For instance

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/andromeda/

vs

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...r-emperor-pin/

Yes, the snake's both have similar coloring and patterning, but one, to me, looks much more like a water color painting that's gotten damp with the colors bleeding into each other while the second one starts off with a much sharper contrast. Maybe it's just me.

On my laptop I'll go through it when I get home

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