Paying for possible hets

[AntTheDestroyer]

First I want to preface this with I am fairly new to the hobby of ball pythons. I was just curious as to what your opinion about paying more for possible het animals is? I am in the market for a het pied and some people seem to want crazy money for a possible het animal with one co dom gene. I understand you may be able to rake in some reward if the odds hit in your favor, but not if you end up paying more for the animal. In my eyes possible hets are generally a miss in a breeders plan and would be available at discounted prices. With the buyer being the one with everything to lose you would think they would be more reasonable. Maybe I just don't understand where these breeders are coming from, and would appreciate enlightenment.

[bproffer]

Buying a possible het is still usually less expensive than buying a 100% het or visual. Is it a gamble? Sure. But if you want a sure thing, then you have to pay the price. If I was buying a possible het, I think I would really want to buy from a well known and reputable breeder.

In the end, you determine what you are willing to pay and the risk you are willing to take. When I was looking for a GHI Mojave, I narrowed my decision between 2 snakes. Both were from very reputable and well known breeders, but one was Possible het for clown and due to that, was a couple hundred more than the other. I chose the non-het.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Usually possible hets for the most common recessive (PH Ghost, PH Albino, PH Pied) will not cost you more than a normal matter of fact many breeders including myself wholesale them as normal.

Would I buy possible hets probably not unless it's an entire clutch that is female heavy, would I buy specific mutation PH ? insert recessive here"? Yes if it is the right animal last one I purchased was a male CG leopard Het Hypo PH Pied.

Most of the PH animals in my collection have been animals that I produced and I knew would prove out

Now as far as 100% Het Pied a fair price would be $50 to $75 for a female hardly something that breaks the bank, that's how I priced mine this year (based on quantity) and I even gave a free male with any purchase of a female, I was sold out in no time.

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[AntTheDestroyer]

That seems more than fair to me, I am sorry I missed out. I am glad I am not alone in thinking a possible het isn't worth much. I have seen a few folks pricing ph as much as I have found a 100% het. Guess they just don't want to sell their products.

[Galaxygirl]

A Banana 66% Het Clown male just sold for $170 on an Auction. I missed out

[Albert Clark]

Hey Anthony, It's always better and safer to go with a 100% het over a possible het regardless of the percentage of the possible het. Always ask the breeder for pictures of the parents he is claiming produced the hatchlings or the juveniles. Ask if he is guaranteeing the genetics as well. Make sure if you take the risk with a possible het that it fits into your breeding plans and don't be discouraged if the possible het doesn't prove out on the first produced clutch results. I produced some 100% double hets recently. Double het for albino and pied all 100%. Traded two females off and held back the only male and two of the last females. I documented the guaranteed 100% to the trader with pictures and paperwork. I can't wait to post about the results from both my pairings and the person I traded with.

[Albert Clark]

My candino male p/het pied came from a breeder on Long Island who is a stand up guy who did not guarantee any the genetic possibility. However he assured me that he was pretty sure that the pied gene is present in the animal. I took his word but have yet to put the male to the test. He still rather young but growing and feeding like a champ.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

That seems more than fair to me, I am sorry I missed out. I am glad I am not alone in thinking a possible het isn't worth much. I have seen a few folks pricing ph as much as I have found a 100% het. Guess they just don't want to sell their products.

It's really just gonna depends on the possible het for genes that have been around a while PH alone with no other genes are not worth anything much now if it's a PH Sunset it's a different story newer gene still high in price so even PH are worth more (not as much as hets) but pricey, it's a huge gamble but with the possibility of huge payoff.....I am not a gambler I would rather way until price are in my range and get something that will guarantee me to hatch a visual.



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[PitOnTheProwl]

Possible Het or 100% Het........ Its all up to how much you are willing to gamble on a snake.
Nothing is guaranteed unless it is a visual.
Photos and paperwork don't mean anything anymore.
I have several recessives in my collection and now also have a 1.5 double het group that I produced.
To anyone else (when I decide to sell them) its only my word that they can count on.
I also label my possible het as normal.

[Jabberwocky Dragons]

You seem focused on lower value possible hets, which as pointed out, aren't really worth any more than normals. It would be nice if everyone had the budget to acquire animals that would never produce possible hets but that's not how it works when you move out beyond albinos and pieds. Similarly, buyers may the like the opportunity to work with a morph and they couldn't afford a guaranteed het. It's definitely a gamble when you're choosing between a het or visual and a ph. There's no gamble when you're choice is between a normal and ph.

Possible hets can have their place in breeding projects. I wanted to get into ultramels years ago but my budget wouldn't stretch that far for visual. Instead I acquired a pastel guaranteed het ultramel male and paired him with a couple codom girls. I now have super pastel and pastel ph het ultramels females of breeding size.

Now that the price has come down, I purchased a male ultramel and plan to pair him with these ph ultra super pastel and pastel girls. I have a chance at pastel ultramels which is very exciting for me and I've waited for this chance for years. Worst case scenario is I get to hold back several female pastel guaranteed het ultramels. No gamble because the alternative was for this project to not exist in the first place.