I'm doing Spider x Spider

[Galaxygirl]

Decided to go ahead with my Spider x Spider experiment. Super Enchi Lesser Spider x Calico Pastel Spider. I'll be following up when / if she lays.

[ARBallMorphs]

Interesting to see what comes of it.

Be pre-paired for a lot of criticism, not saying it will hit you but chances are pretty big some people will try and start one.

I personally do not really understand why as those same people say nothing about lets say a Black Pastel x Black Pastel breeding.

Good luck on the pairing, keep us posted and build a little storm bunker

[MarkS]

Why would anyone criticize that? I see no problems with it and I haven't heard that spider X spider breeding causes any more problems then just spider by itself. I actually think that it'll be a pretty interesting clutch.

[bigSAK]

I love that calico pastel spider! Good luck on the breeding, I'm very interested to see what the verdict is!

[Nick_bp]

The spider gene is my favorite and hope you get good results from this pairing.

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[Galaxygirl]

Since I can't find many people on here that have bred Spider x Spider, I started asking on the FB groups. So far I've gotten good responses. Everyone has said they've done it and haven't noticed a higher number of slugs or bad eggs. I've been corresponding with a couple big breeders that tried producing a homozygous spider, like TSK, and they said they noticed nothing unusual while doing spider x spider breedings. I'm curious to see what comes of this.

[Asherah]

I'm one of those who has never been much of a fan of the spider gene, but every time I see a Pastel Calico Spider I just go WOW!
Stunning snakes! That should be a crazy fun pairing.

[Galaxygirl]

I'm one of those who has never been much of a fan of the spider gene, but every time I see a Pastel Calico Spider I just go WOW!
Stunning snakes! That should be a crazy fun pairing.

Thanks! She's a beauty. She's blue in the photo and my camera is bad quality. My only complaint is she's a mouser, buuut maybe she'll switch ;P

[bks2100]

Why would anyone criticize that? I see no problems with it and I haven't heard that spider X spider breeding causes any more problems then just spider by itself. I actually think that it'll be a pretty interesting clutch.

I saw a thread about this recently but I can't remember if I replied to it or deleted what I was going to say. I think people are criticizing it for two reasons. First there's no super form and no one's proven out a homozygous spider, so that means that either no one has taken the time to really prove it out (I'm sure someone would have noticed it even if they weren't trying to prove it out) or that there's some type of genetic issue where it's a lethal combo or the eggs don't go full term (which people also haven't noticed). There's not a clear answer either way. The second reason is that some people don't like the spider gene because of the wobble, so they assume it's lethal or a doomed egg.

If someone was pairing spider x spider I'd say it's not very efficient. Spider x spider = 75% spiders, but if you paired each to a normal you'd end up with 50% spiders, but more eggs. Then add in pairing with some other morph and it's even better.

But in circumstances like this it's silly to criticize the pairing. Pairing two 3 gene snakes together is hard to ever really criticize, but this is even better because of the super enchi and the fact that it's 5 different genes. The excitement of whether or not I got a 5 gene snake would be exciting. Even though it's a lot to put into a snake it'd be great for a breeder.

[Galaxygirl]

I saw a thread about this recently but I can't remember if I replied to it or deleted what I was going to say. I think people are criticizing it for two reasons. First there's no super form and no one's proven out a homozygous spider, so that means that either no one has taken the time to really prove it out (I'm sure someone would have noticed it even if they weren't trying to prove it out) or that there's some type of genetic issue where it's a lethal combo or the eggs don't go full term (which people also haven't noticed). There's not a clear answer either way. The second reason is that some people don't like the spider gene because of the wobble, so they assume it's lethal or a doomed egg.

If someone was pairing spider x spider I'd say it's not very efficient. Spider x spider = 75% spiders, but if you paired each to a normal you'd end up with 50% spiders, but more eggs. Then add in pairing with some other morph and it's even better.

But in circumstances like this it's silly to criticize the pairing. Pairing two 3 gene snakes together is hard to ever really criticize, but this is even better because of the super enchi and the fact that it's 5 different genes. The excitement of whether or not I got a 5 gene snake would be exciting. Even though it's a lot to put into a snake it'd be great for a breeder.

I like the spider gene, so it's worth it to me to breed two spider combos together. The more spider babies, the better. I am still trying to make even a Bumblebee and Lesser Bee after two years of trying with a Queenbee x Single gene morphs, lol. As you can see I upgraded this year. The spider gene has been soooo elusive in all of my breedings it's frustrating.