Need urgent ID, Pastel sugar/calico or sugar/calico firefly?

[hungba]

The two snakes below resulted from pairing fire bee (pastel fire spider) x pastel sugar/calico.

I am going with sugar/calico being the same thing. I am not good at telling if there is fire, on wobp, the calico fireflys range from very different to pastel calicos to very similar.

I am thinking snake 1 is either sugar/calico firefly, or just pastel sugar/calico.

I am thinking snake 2 is just pastel sugar/calico.

If possible, can you tell me how to spot if there is fire there?

Please help urgently as someone wants to buy them and I need to give a price. Thankyou.

Snake 1:



Snake 2:

[muddoc]

I say they are both Pastel calico. They are displaying the normal variance in colors. If there were fire in there, it would be blatantly obvious in the color of the head. Both of them have very dark heads.

[hungba]

I see. So you would expect a washed out head like a firefly?

Other than head color, what else difference? I see some calico firefly with large patches missing pattern, almost paradox markings, very common so not paradox, but some just look like pastel calicos on yje body. Is this also a standard characteritic? There is also one (2nd and fourth) pic on wobp calico firefly page that seems to have a dark head and golden colored body with no white? Is that just mistaken ID?

[aalomon]

Both are pastel calicos, just different levels of white. If thy had the fire gene they wouldnt be browning out this quickly.

[PitOnTheProwl]

I was going to ask about a head stamp.