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Is two supers in one morph really possible?
Hi all, I am just wondering about producing a Super (morph) super (morph). I know on the world of ball there is the super pastel super sulfur which was only produced this year (2015) Are these just really rare to produce and how can you really tell? How would I go about making a Super Super?
Are there any other morphs with two supers in it?
Thank you.
Last edited by Melodys; 10-10-2015 at 08:08 PM.
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Re: Is two supers in one morph really possible?
it can be hard to produce as the most common way would be a 1 in 16 shot. take for example a pastel phantom x pastel phantom. you would have a 1 in 16 shot at producing a super pastel super phantom. there have been quite a few double supers produced though. super cinni super pastel, super black pastel super pastel, red axanthic super pastel, and many many more
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Re: Is two supers in one morph really possible?
 Originally Posted by T&C Exotics
it can be hard to produce as the most common way would be a 1 in 16 shot. take for example a pastel phantom x pastel phantom. you would have a 1 in 16 shot at producing a super pastel super phantom. there have been quite a few double supers produced though. super cinni super pastel, super black pastel super pastel, red axanthic super pastel, and many many more
Okay, thank you for your reply. You have only mentioned super pastels with other morphs and my example included. Do you know any that have been made without a pastel?
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Re: Is two supers in one morph really possible?
Originally Posted by Melodys
Okay, thank you for your reply. You have only mentioned super pastels with other morphs and my example included. Do you know any that have been made without a pastel?
I don't know off the top of my head what's been done without super pastel to produce a "double-super," as I'll call it. However, it can certainly be done. Any two co-dominant genes bred together create a super form. For instance, there is a super enchi, super lesser, super mojave, and many many more. Pastel is the most common super form that you'll see simply because of price point for those particular animals due to how long the morph has been in existence as available on the market. Making sense yet? Google World of Ball Pythons and check out the morph list. It should help you out.
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Re: Is two supers in one morph really possible?
Just a little more information from my knowledge. You cannot get (p.ex.) Super phantom Super lesser or Super fire Super sulfur combos, cause Double supers cannot be in the same locus (complexes). Like this we have less possibilities.
I believe the Super pastels are not cause of the price. If you hit a Super Mojave Super Enchi, with that probably you get an almost white, blue eyed ball ( similar sight as Enchi Super Mojave). With Super pastels you can make more visual difference, example Super pastel Super Enchi.
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'Super' really isn't a valid genetic term. It's a term coined by the Ball Python industry to describe a snake that has a co-dominant mutation and is Homozygous rather then Heterozygous. (Pastel -heterozygous for the pastel trait, SUPER pastel - homozygous for the pastel trait, etc...) A Double Super would just be an animal that is Homozygous for two different mutations.
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What you call double super is done most often in recessive genes. Think Axanthic KillerBee, Axanthic Clown, etc. Given that a recessive only has visual impact in homozygous form, any dual recessive, or recessive-super combination is dual homozygous, which is what you really refer to with super super.
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Re: Is two supers in one morph really possible?
Originally Posted by MarkS
'Super' really isn't a valid genetic term. It's a term coined by the Ball Python industry to describe a snake that has a co-dominant mutation and is Homozygous rather then Heterozygous. (Pastel -heterozygous for the pastel trait, SUPER pastel - homozygous for the pastel trait, etc...) A Double Super would just be an animal that is Homozygous for two different mutations.
This times infinity!!!
The bastardization of genetic terms in this hobby drives me crazy some times. Then I hate myself even more for using those terms... 
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Re: Is two supers in one morph really possible?
Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps
This times infinity!!!
The bastardization of genetic terms in this hobby drives me crazy some times. Then I hate myself even more for using those terms...
is it because people look at you weird when you call them homo genes?
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