Male/Female Banana ball python

[BCS]

My local breeder only ever sells male banana BPs. I know about the female and male maker thing that happens with bananas but I read some where on the internet (which I cannot find anymore) that described how to get female makers out of a male maker. Something to do with het bananas or something but I am well aware that bananas are not recessive so how do you get a het banana? Was the web page right? I wish I could find it again.

[Dave Green]

I've never heard of such a thing. As far as I know, the only way to hatch a female maker male is from a banana female....female bananas make "female maker" males.

[Asherah]

Occasionally a male maker will produce a female, but as I understand it, that is pretty rare

[OhhWatALoser]

There used to be a ton of terrible information about the banana gene and how it works. Actually there is even bad information to this day out there.

A male banana made from a female banana will be a female maker
A male banana made from a male banana will be a male maker

thats all there is to it. Nothing complicated. Your local breed probably has a male maker and makes mostly male bananas, however once in while he should make a female, but they might keep them, have bad odds, or sell them before you even see them

[paulh]

Het banana describes a gene pair made up of a banana mutant gene and a normal gene. Banana ball pythons are that way because they have a banana gene paired with a normal gene.

The belief that a het snake has a gene pair made up of a normal gene and a recessive mutant gene is a holdover from the days when all known snake mutant genes were recessive to the corresponding normal gene. Those days are long over. Herpers should get used to using the standard genetics definitions for homozygous and heterozygous.

Homozygous -- A gene pair made up of two genes that are the same. Two copies of the normal gene or two copies of a mutant gene.
Heterozygous -- A gene pair made up of two genes that are NOT the same. The two genes may be a normal gene and a recessive mutant gene, a normal gene and a dominant mutant gene, a normal gene and a codominant mutant gene, or two non-identical mutant genes.

I'd like to see the web page to have an opinion about it. But I'm interested in this sort of thing, and I have not seen anything that seems right to me. So I am pessimistic about that page.

[Eric Alan]

Herpers should get used to using the standard genetics definitions for homozygous and heterozygous.

Or, people with a more in-depth knowledge of these terms should choose their battles (this is coming from a guy with a degree in microbiology).

[OhhWatALoser]

Herpers should get used to using the standard genetics definitions for homozygous and heterozygous.

Or, people with a more in-depth knowledge of these terms should choose their battles (this is coming from a guy with a degree in microbiology).

Perhaps not get used to using them, but we really should at the very least understand them. I can understand where paul is coming from, the hobby tends to make this stuff way more complicated than it is. Just because heterozygous and homozygous are big words doesn't mean they aren't very basic concepts.

but this thread was confusion with the banana anomaly a separate discussion, the definition debate might be better suited elsewhere.

[Yodawagon]

What if both parents are bananas. Then what will the offspring produce when bred.

[BCS]

What if both parents are bananas. Then what will the offspring produce when bred.

I am guessing that if both the mother and father were male makers all would be male. Then the males would be a hit or miss for being female or male makers until you bred them. If the mother was a female maker and the father was a male maker, then I suppose you knew which baby got their genes from to some degree... of course it's not full proof but you'd have an idea.

[aalomon]

As I understood it female bananas throw equal odds, so all the females from the clutch would throw even odds while the males would be either male makers or female makers with no visual way to distinguish.