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HJ winner is german so quite close from your bredeer... that could have got his snake from Winner.
1.0 superstripe, killerbee, OD spider fire, black pastel YB, black specter, pastel dinker, spider dinker, banana, banana cinnamon, enchi fire OD, fire dream bee het. russo, pastel superstripe, 2.0 firefly dream YB.
0.2 superpastel yb, 0.2 enchi, 0.1 yellowbelly 0.2 cinnamon, 0.2 normal, 0.1 black widow, black pewter, fire, lemon pastel, pastel, black pastel, bumblebee, spider granite, het. russo, super pastel, pastel specter, specter,lesser pin, OD, fire OD, OD fire het. russo, OD pastel, firefly dream YB, fire bee het. russo, lemon pastel enchi, citrus super enchi, super pastel enchi, pastel ivory, bumblebee dinker
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I just came across this thread but I have to agree with Darkranger,
it is possible he got an animal from Winner somewhere in the past and that got mixed in to his pied projects
Can I ask where in Europe you live?
Last edited by ARBallMorphs; 08-25-2015 at 12:41 AM.
YouTube channel; https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCue...yj1vBeeIUZVl2Q
Females;
Normal 100% het. Hypo, Lesser Pastel, Super Fire, Leopard, Mojave, Pastel het. Piebald, Orange Ghost, Pastel 100% het. Clown, Normal (very clean and reduced patterned) 100% het. Clown, Enchi, Pinstripe, Black Pewter, Albino 100% het. Piebald, Normal 66% ph Hypo, Normal 66% ph Piebald
Males;
Clown, Super Pastel Calico, HGWG, Pastel 100% het Piebald, Cardamon Fire 50% ph Hypo, Banana, GHI, Cinnamon 66%ph Piebald
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thank you ARBallmorphs, i feel less paranoid.
1.0 superstripe, killerbee, OD spider fire, black pastel YB, black specter, pastel dinker, spider dinker, banana, banana cinnamon, enchi fire OD, fire dream bee het. russo, pastel superstripe, 2.0 firefly dream YB.
0.2 superpastel yb, 0.2 enchi, 0.1 yellowbelly 0.2 cinnamon, 0.2 normal, 0.1 black widow, black pewter, fire, lemon pastel, pastel, black pastel, bumblebee, spider granite, het. russo, super pastel, pastel specter, specter,lesser pin, OD, fire OD, OD fire het. russo, OD pastel, firefly dream YB, fire bee het. russo, lemon pastel enchi, citrus super enchi, super pastel enchi, pastel ivory, bumblebee dinker
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Re: Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het Piebald clutch id help
 Originally Posted by darkranger69
thank you ARBallmorphs, i feel less paranoid.
haha,
Yeah just saying it is possible as for a while HJ Winner didn't know himself what was really going on with the Hurricane, or well that is what I understood when I was talking to him at a show though my German isn't that good.
YouTube channel; https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCue...yj1vBeeIUZVl2Q
Females;
Normal 100% het. Hypo, Lesser Pastel, Super Fire, Leopard, Mojave, Pastel het. Piebald, Orange Ghost, Pastel 100% het. Clown, Normal (very clean and reduced patterned) 100% het. Clown, Enchi, Pinstripe, Black Pewter, Albino 100% het. Piebald, Normal 66% ph Hypo, Normal 66% ph Piebald
Males;
Clown, Super Pastel Calico, HGWG, Pastel 100% het Piebald, Cardamon Fire 50% ph Hypo, Banana, GHI, Cinnamon 66%ph Piebald
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Re: Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het Piebald clutch id help
Originally Posted by ARBallMorphs
I just came across this thread but I have to agree with Darkranger,
it is possible he got an animal from Winner somewhere in the past and that got mixed in to his pied projects
Can I ask where in Europe you live?
Hi personally I am from Croatia, but the breeder where I got the mother and father of the clutch is from Austria.
I tried contacting the breeder but till now I didnt get any response.
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Re: Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het Piebald clutch id help
Originally Posted by Helix
Hi personally I am from Croatia, but the breeder where I got the mother and father of the clutch is from Austria.
I tried contacting the breeder but till now I didnt get any response.
You said you were able to get a hold of the breeder. Did he shed any light on what mystery genes could be going on?
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Re: Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het Piebald clutch id help
My guess is there is something in the YB complex going on. Perhaps Spark, or Gravel. Spark would account for the stripe and head pattern and the YB looking hatchling.
Last edited by rlditmars; 09-09-2015 at 10:36 AM.
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Re: Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het Piebald clutch id help
I contacted him last year for the last years clutch. The male should be Pastel Piebald, thats it.
This year when I got same weird looking animals, it really got me thinking that it couldnt be just a Pastel...
I asked the breeder what he thinks about striped Pastel Piebald, havent gotten a reply yet.
What do you guys think about the striped Pastel Piebald? First I thought it is Super Pastel Piebald because he had really washed out sides and stripe on his back...
And now I think it might be Pastel + "something" Piebald?
@rlditmars
Yeah I was scratching my head looking at "normals" I produced from this male...but I think it isnt yellowbelly...still might be something from yellowbelly complex...
Last edited by Helix; 09-09-2015 at 12:55 PM.
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Could be a specter gene as well, i don t see spark or gravel. Specter produce stripe babies even not paired with YB group genes. my black pastel specter has a 80% stripe. The normal for me is just normal.
1.0 superstripe, killerbee, OD spider fire, black pastel YB, black specter, pastel dinker, spider dinker, banana, banana cinnamon, enchi fire OD, fire dream bee het. russo, pastel superstripe, 2.0 firefly dream YB.
0.2 superpastel yb, 0.2 enchi, 0.1 yellowbelly 0.2 cinnamon, 0.2 normal, 0.1 black widow, black pewter, fire, lemon pastel, pastel, black pastel, bumblebee, spider granite, het. russo, super pastel, pastel specter, specter,lesser pin, OD, fire OD, OD fire het. russo, OD pastel, firefly dream YB, fire bee het. russo, lemon pastel enchi, citrus super enchi, super pastel enchi, pastel ivory, bumblebee dinker
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