Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het Piebald clutch id help

[aLittleLessButter]

That low white pied with the full dorsal stripe is absolutely incredible!! Congrats!

[darkranger69]

the killer bee seems cleary to have the het. pied influence but the super pastel has more than that. too dark to just be a super pastel. is there any possibilities to have HRA in the mix?

[Helix]

Thank you all for the comments.
Het red axanthic? Dont know.. I am looking for any explanation for this. Whatever goes on, I think its best seen at this years Super paste het Pied and last years Pastel het Pied. And whatever is going on, the male of the clutches is the "guilty" one.

Here is a picture from last years Super Pastel with some weight on her



Here are pictures from this and last years other clutches. Pastel Piebald x Piebald

[darkranger69]

... those last picture make me think of something different. where you got the parents from??

[Helix]

At one point I event started to question if he (sire) is a Pastel Piebald or maybe something different...but since there are super pastels and Pastel Piebalds, I guess he is Pastel Piebald.
Also, the low white Piebald with dorsal stripe I got this year from Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het pairing, I am wondering if he is just a good looking Pastel Piebald (with something else maybe going on) or maybe Super Pastel Piebald

Before shed



After the shed

[darkranger69]

could be a trick like morph as well, your killer and superpastel should not have orange colors and you pastel is really busy. maybe blitz, something like that

[Helix]

... those last picture make me think of something different. where you got the parents from??

At first I was thinking if there could be a bit yellowbelly in there causing the flames on the sides of the super pastel hets. But the "destruction" of dorsal pattern is obvious...Last year I thought it is just a coincidence, and I got a curious looking baby ball python that just looks a bit different because of the influence of the piebald gene.
But same happened this year, and I am more and more sure that there is also something more going on...

I got them all from the same breeder here in europe. Bumblebee het and Piebald females, while good looking, they have nothing out of the ordinary on them.. And the male produces this kind of babies from either pairing. I bought the male as a Pastel Piebald, and while being a bit darker, that is what he should be.
I managed to find picture of another of sires hatchling.

I asked the breeder from wich I got the parents from what he thinks this one is - he said he thinks its a really dark Pastel Piebald

[darkranger69]

if your snake come from winner , i can tell you what you have.

[Helix]

if your snake come from winner , i can tell you what you have.

Winner? no, its from an austrian breeder that (as I heard atleast) has got some of the animals from roussies reptiles.

But any opinion is welcome, so shoot

[darkranger69]

i thought about Hj winner because his hurricane could explain the nice mess you got.