Banana het red axanthic?

[Phammerbach]

Hi,
I'm a new member of this site, but have been using it as a resource of knowledge for some time.

I just got my second clutch and would appreciate some help identifying if there is indeed het red in my 2 bananas.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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[Aercadia]

Welcome to the addiction hobby lifestyle! ;) Beautiful nanners you've got there.

Het (short for Heterozygous) means that the gene is recessive and needs two copies (a Homozygous pair) in order to display the visual effects. An animal with only one copy of the gene will not display its visual features. In this diagram, the recessive trait is the little "b", so animals with only one copy of the "b" do have the gene, but will not display it - so they are Het for "b", and visually "B". In your case, "B" is Banana, and "b" is Red Axanthic.


Unfortunately, there are not a lot of genes that give markers to animals with Het genes... you can find a few, but they are not 100% certain. I'm not familiar with any markers for Red Axanthic.

So, the only way you can know for SURE, is if one of the parents was a visual Red Axanthic (in which case, ALL of the babies will have one copy of the gene, but not display it). If one of the parents was HET for Red Axanthic, then each baby has a CHANCE of having received that gene, but you will not know which ones until you breed them back to another animal with the gene and get visual Red Axanthic babies to prove that both animals producing the clutch had the gene.

If one parent was Het, then each animal has a 66% chance of having received a copy of the gene (which means that there is a 34% that there is no Het gene, and you've got a standard nanner). But again, there's no way to tell visually at this point.

What was the pairing for your Banana Babies? :)

[aalomon]

Close, but not quite. Het Red Axanthic (HRA) is a codom gene allelic to other genes like black pastel, cinnamon, and lori with the super being the Red Axanthic. I swear the name is just to confuse people.

At first glance I dont see HRA in any of your babies but Im not horribly familiar with the banana HRA combo.

[Aercadia]

Woop! So it is! Welp. o///o; That's what I get for not looking it up before replying! Eh-heh... heh. MY BAD!! ^///^;

aalomon is 100% correct - WOBP lists the Red Axanthic gene as a Co-Dominant, not a Recessive like the regular Axanthic gene... apparently they are in NO WAY related, what do you know! (I'm gonna use the name similarity excuse. Color me educated.)

They certainly look similar to the Banana Het Red Axanthic on WOBP... but I am not well learned on the particulars of either gene, so I couldn't really say for sure.

WOBP BANANA


WOBP BANANA HET RED AXANTHIC

[aalomon]

Isn't it confusing?? It doesn't help that it's a subtle gene too so it's hard to spot the difference if you aren't familiar with it.

The reason I vote no on HRA is one of the more common traits that you see is most of the eyes in the alien heads are connected into one stripe instead of two individual dots. I'm not really seeing that in the OPs animals.

[darkranger69]

HRA is not what i call a subtle morph but it can be tricky for beginners. for me none have the gene.

[Phammerbach]

Thank you aercadia, they are pretty, and even though not accurate for het red axanthic, I do appreciate your clarification of hets. Now I do understand the biology involved, but with this being such a sublessing morph, I just cannot identify it myself.

The sire is and hra banana and the dame is a normal.




Wish I had better pictures if the sire, but he is not my snake, sadly.

[Trogdorpheus]

If one parent was Het, then each animal has a 66% chance of having received a copy of the gene (which means that there is a 34% that there is no Het gene, and you've got a standard nanner). But again, there's no way to tell visually at this point.

I know this doesn't apply to this particular morph, but this is also not quite correct. If only one parent is het for a recessive trait, the offspring will have a 50% chance of being het for that trait as well. If both parents are het, then you will see 66% of the non visual offspring being het (although still a 50% chance for het offspring).

[Aercadia]

Gob-dang, I am just LEARNING and LEARNING in this thread. ^///^; I am gonna be SO SMART by the time I get out of here.

Thanks for the clarification, Trogdorpheus! (Once there was a MAN... then... he was a DRAGON MAN... or, maybe... he was just a DRAGON... but he was still- !!)

[Trogdorpheus]

Precisely trogdor + Orpheus.