Thinking of adding a recessive to the genepool

[duckschainsaw]

I've got my little collection, and I don't plan on getting much more. I have been thinking about adding in a recessive gene to play with and see what I can come up with further down the line. I've had a few ideas, but I want to know what your opinions are. This is what I have.

1.0 Ivory Queen Bee
1.0 Black Pewter
0.1 Bumblebee
0.1 Normal pos het Clown
0.1 Enchi

What would you add in there, and why?

[BCS]

A male clown would be a good idea since you already have a female het clown... they also happen to be my favorite morph with the pied coming in second.

[Artemisace]

I agree with BCS a clown male would be a good choice with that female. I just added a pied and they are amazing and my personal favorite recessive. Also pied looks good with everything

[PitOnTheProwl]

Whats the deal on the POSSIBLE het clown?

If its a good chance, I would do a male clown.
If not, you males would all do good with a female Orange Ghost. Then again anything with hypo is the bomb.

[John1982]

If you go the male clown route, you will be needing to keep a lot more holdbacks(females) to see fruition in that project - unless the possible het proves. A female homozygous is the way to go if you just want to add 1-2 more snakes and still be able to work another recessive project.

[duckschainsaw]

Whats the deal on the POSSIBLE het clown?.

The mother was a pastel het clown and the father wasn't a clown, so she's got a chance at being het clown. I got her for a steal ($30) and really only picked her up because I thought she was a super pretty normal.

[BCS]

I have gone the cheaper route and just bought het pairs. The only visual recessive I own is a female pied... other wise I have
1.1 het clown (cost me $200)
1.0 spider het pied($100)
1.0 gargoyle het albino, 0.1 het albino, 0.1 het red het albino (het albinos I bought as a package, $500)
0.1 sugar het hypo ($250) <--- however the previous owner had no proof of genetics so I guess we will see next year when I breed her.
1.0 fire woma 66% het ghost ($160)

A female visual clown can go for $900 or more where I am from so buying a 100% het pair is WAY cheaper if you do not mind the less of a chance of getting a visual, which I don't. I only need one visual out of the pairing so I would rather pay $200 for a het pair rather then $1600 for a visual pair just to get the same results. A possible het has much less of a chance of giving you a visual. Its all how you look at it. No matter what recessive you get, whether it is clown, pied, genetic stripe, axanthic, it will all work the same.

You can always get a het clown and hope that the odds are in your favor.

Or get a visual clown, breed it to your possible het clown and still end up producing 100% het clowns and hold a few back for future breeding though this is the long way of doing things.

Or you can go out and get two visuals and get a guaranteed visual recessive.

Or buy a visual Pied (or whatever other recessive of your choosing) breed the visual to your ivory queen bee (since it has lots of genetics but it will work the same with any of your snakes) and you could end up with queen bee yellow bellies 100% het (Ivory as in yellow belly super right?)? Breed the siblings together if you do not mind doing that sort of thing and you could end up with super pastel, ivory, spider, blue eyed leucistic visual recessives. The possibilities are very high. Once again that is a long road to go and you wouldn't be producing visual recessives for a few years from now.

Hopefully that is not confusing for you... and I hope I got everything correct but either way there are some options for you.

Pied, clowns, axanthics, hypos, and albinos seem to be the most popular recessives morphs. This may also be because they have been bred into so many other dominate and co dominate and other recessives for so long that there are so many options to choose from. Genetic stripe... eh. It is relatively cheap... so is hypo/ghost but genetic stripe is not super desirable. I am guessing it is because of the super stripe which is easier and cheaper to make as a super stripe is not recessive. Caramels tend to have kinking problems, so many people avoid it. But on the other hand there is the Ultramel which is very similar to the caramel without the kinking issues. Still not a favorite of mine personally though. Then you have the lavender albino which is pretty neat, but I still prefer the regular albino (IMO) looks better when mixed with other morphs. All of this is totally up to you!

If money is no object for you, getting visuals mixed with other genes or double hets would be a great option for you to get ahead but you do not have to fork out thousands of dollars just to get a visual.

[darkranger69]

i won t add a male to your collection unless you sell one. i would go for a female : ghost,clown,candy, DG, puzzle, monarch, ax ... what ever you like but you already have a black pewter that is not usefull in breeding plans. Personnaly, i would sell him and get 1.1 clown depending on the size of your bumblebbe that you shouldn t breed to your ivoryqueenbee.