Respiratory Infection

[Lady mkrj58]

Baytril is a good broad spectrum antibiotic and is used alot in this manner With animals and People. If the culture comes back and is not on the list the Doctor Changes the Med.

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[chosen2030]

I have used f10 sc to treat a very minor case of RI in a female ball that i got from a show it cleared it up she had no signs at the end of 10 days of treament and been fine ever since i had the f10 sc so i gave it a shot i did the way Brian fro bhb said on a you tube

But you shouldn't do the treatment more than once a day, is that right?

[J&A exotics]

I only did once day

[BoiseBallz]

...The appropriate concentration is 1: 1000 . That is a 3cc dose of f10sc to a 1000cc of distilled water...

This is not correct. The concentration supported by the literature is 1:250 which is 4 mL f10sc in 1 L of solution, which in studies is normal saline, but as most don't have normal saline readily accessible, distilled water seems to work just as well, anecdotally. Treatment can be 1 to 3 times per day for 10-15 minutes for each treatment and, ideally, should be combined with antimicrobial treatment.

3mL f10sc in 1000 mL is a concentration of 1:333

[chosen2030]

This is not correct. The concentration supported by the literature is 1:250 which is 4 mL f10sc in 1 L of solution, which in studies is normal saline, but as most don't have normal saline readily accessible, distilled water seems to work just as well, anecdotally. Treatment can be 1 to 3 times per day for 10-15 minutes for each treatment and, ideally, should be combined with antimicrobial treatment.

3mL f10sc in 1000 mL is a concentration of 1:333

So use distilled water specifically? Not tap, purified, spring, etc.?

[BoiseBallz]

Purified or spring water would likely be fine. I wouldn't recommend using tap water because of the chlorine/chloramine. Even if filtered or treated with dechlorinator, it's still more likely to gunk up your nebulizer with mineral deposits.

[CORBIN911]

I juuust went through this for the first time. It was a fun learning experience, haha.

I took her to the vet after 5 days of no improvement (had increased ambient temperature and was doing the Vicks and Eucalyptus sauna, which I learned is a very touch treatment, lots of people don't like it, some recommend it such as the vet I took her to and a friend of mine who also has snakes.). The vet gave me Baytril and about 13 needles to inject her with 0.1mL everyday for 5 days and then every other day for about a week. I discontinued the Vicks and Eucalyptus saunas as I was no longer sure about them after all the controversy over it and went on a cycle of using a humidifier in the same small room she was in.
I never got the fast improvements I've read about, it took her about three weeks till she started to shed that I noticed a difference. She never got bad enough that mucus was bubbling out of her mouth constantly, but it was smeared over her face and her nostrils were pretty plugged and dry. I gave her a bath to aid in her shed and it also cleared out her nostrils and the mucus hasn't build up again! She refused to eat, so I'm thinking she isn't back up to snuff but her nose is still clear and the wheezing has stopped. I'm not moving her out of the smaller, warmer room yet, will probably do so after she eats a few times.

I never got a blood culture done when I took her to the vet, which I guess is a no-no. The vet gave me the baytril based off his 35 years of experience with reptiles, and luckily he was right. It was just a bacterial infection, but RI's can be viral, in which case I believe Baytril won't help in curing the infection. It's better to get the culture done so the vet is definitely certain of what to prescribe. I was comfortable in giving her needles, some people do a tube feeding of medication that can be a lot more stressful. I've also heard of a spray form of Baytril that works faster than injections and they just inhale it as you spray their nose. The spray form and injection form can not be given at the same time, it's one or the other.

So after almost a month, my baby is getting back on track and this snake momma is happy and way less stressed now that I'm not pondering with unknowns! Hopefully this helps a bit, I've never had experience with the F10 mix. I kept her water bowl in her cage the whole time, she was in her hide most of the time anyways and the lamp was always above her and temps were never below 80 on the cool side. I was told to keep temps up to 100 max on the warm side.

"BASED of his 35 years"..... You mean what all lazy vets do, I dont mean to sound like a :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:, but this is a go-to for all vets, Now most will TAKE a culture and give you Amakasin (or Fortaz) while results are coming as Baytril is very un-effective vs most RI's (and often snake bounces back after a few weeks without injections) I do hope your guy stays healthy, but its always better to take a culture (120$ish) vs paying for meds that do not work, and haveing to redo/re inject crap into your animal

[Albert Clark]

This is not correct. The concentration supported by the literature is 1:250 which is 4 mL f10sc in 1 L of solution, which in studies is normal saline, but as most don't have normal saline readily accessible, distilled water seems to work just as well, anecdotally. Treatment can be 1 to 3 times per day for 10-15 minutes for each treatment and, ideally, should be combined with antimicrobial treatment.

3mL f10sc in 1000 mL is a concentration of 1:333

Well, we obviously have been reading different literature. And one 4cc dose of f10sc in 1000cc's of anything else besides distilled water is not the recommended solution concentration. Depending on your delivery system, which for most, is a reptifogger. It's also a once a day treatment for only very mild RI that is not accompanied by adjunctive antibiotic therapies. 20 minutes in while the nebulizer is operating and another 20 minutes to allow for inhalation while the nebulizer is off.

[BoiseBallz]

http://www.healthandhygiene.co.za/do...ds/rhh0115.pdf

http://www.healthandhygiene.co.za/is...sue6/index.htm

http://www.healthandhygiene.co.za/is...sue7/index.htm

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalV.../UCM440013.pdf

[chosen2030]

Purified or spring water would likely be fine. I wouldn't recommend using tap water because of the chlorine/chloramine. Even if filtered or treated with dechlorinator, it's still more likely to gunk up your nebulizer with mineral deposits.

A few more general questions: when treating an animal this way (nebulization) do you remove the water dish from their tub? Same if in a screen top terrarium? Allow the animal to soak partially or fully submerged?