Double Het Pied, Albino?

[Asherah]

Thanks to Asherah for the albino identifying criteria. I was leaning towards the lighter color / more white but honestly was not sure. Peace.

I have only heard this, I wouldn't say it is a clear indicator, nor would I bet on every light normal to possibly be het Albino - but it is worthwhile to note that my guy is a good deal lighter and has more white around his alien heads than what I would normally expect to see. It is very subtle but also quite noticeable in person especially when paired next to a non het normal.

[Eric Alan]

So I'm guessing that albinism and piebaldism aren't true recessive genes in balls?

Not in the sense that blue eyes and red hair are recessive genes in humans. Could you imagine "red head het markers"?

In this hobby's definition, though, albino and piebald are still considered recessive.

[Albert Clark]

I have only heard this, I wouldn't say it is a clear indicator, nor would I bet on every light normal to possibly be het Albino - but it is worthwhile to note that my guy is a good deal lighter and has more white around his alien heads than what I would normally expect to see. It is very subtle but also quite noticeable in person especially when paired next to a non het normal.

Thanks for the clarification either way. I know that there are variations and subtleties and the lighter color /white could indicate different genes. Lucy, hypo, ivory etc; Peace.

[Asherah]

Thanks for the clarification either way. I know that there are variations and subtleties and the lighter color /white could indicate different genes. Lucy, hypo, ivory etc; Peace.

Were I given a group of possible het albino's and told I could only pick one, I would go with the lightest of the bunch.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I thought heterozygous meant the genotype existed but the phenotype didn't show?

So there are markers to predict het traits?

Can some one explain to me the pied het marker then? I have a normal poss het pied, and it'd be cool to know more than that about her.

True but markers are not a 100% guarantee, some het pieds show little to no markers some are very obvious like in this case, when you produce enough het pieds you get pretty good at identifying them and even pickout het pied from normal in a clutch of possible hets.

That being said I would never encourage someone to buy an animal on markers alone I have seen normal with similar markers as well.

[Albert Clark]

Well I know you know Deb! Thanks again. I supplement mine with pics and documentation. Peace.

[TessadasExotics]

Despite what some people would like to have others think.
Piebald and Albinos are both recessive traits. The "markers" are not an indicator of carrying the trait. No one has shown any markers for Albino and the ones for pied can be non existant on true het pieds and can show on proven normals.
Markers are NOT 100%.
Even if markers where 100% positive for a both mentioned morphs, it would not make them non recessive. Train tracks are not the phenotype of a Piebald, period.

[Eric Alan]

Even if markers where 100% positive for a both mentioned morphs, it would not make them non recessive. Train tracks are not the phenotype of a Piebald, period.

So what is the phenotype of a Het Ivory or a Het BEL? Do genetics always have to fit in a nice little box?

Also, I get what you're going for, but not a single person in this thread has said that markers are 100%.

[Albert Clark]

Despite what some people would like to have others think.
Piebald and Albinos are both recessive traits. The "markers" are not an indicator of carrying the trait. No one has shown any markers for Albino and the ones for pied can be non existant on true het pieds and can show on proven normals.
Markers are NOT 100%.
Even if markers where 100% positive for a both mentioned morphs, it would not make them non recessive. Train tracks are not the phenotype of a Piebald, period.

I was describing the markers on a HET pied as train tracks. Actually I should have said train tracks w/o the crossbar. Also described the location as ventrolateral, lower third of body towards the tail and inclusive of the tail. Peace.

[Running Elk]

This is my lady...tell me she looks promising. :/
I'm guessing not.