Thanks for sharing that, very much appreciated. I saw and read that on Alan Francis's web page and considered it at one time. It's just that I felt it wasn't complete nutrition because it was minus the internal organs of natural prey items. I know its supplemented with calcium and reptile vitamins. Even you said you supplement the diy formula with occasional nightcrawlers and pinkies. I guess it's time I gave the diy formula a try. Thanks again! Stay in peace and not pieces. Don't forget to donate to USARK so we can defeat the "lacey act" legislation brought on by USFWS.