O.K., this is all moving away from the point. Thank you all for your input and I hope RiverDragon459 can peruse these threads and make a informed decision on what she is going to pursue to correct the problem feeding of her reptile. No one ever said to "stuff" anything or to ''force" anything. It was offered up as a tried and proven treatment for problem feeders along with all the other primary and secondary interventions that were intelligently expressed by Eric Alan. Thank you BP community. " Stay in peace and not pieces". A.C.