thanks, i tried doin frozen once (they dont sell frozen mice at my pet store so i had to kill them myslef) anyways i waitied till he was more hungry then usual for the first try, i lowerd into his feeding tank and he struck but i think he hit himself on the tongs and got scared and let go i was really scared that it will discourage him from doing it again but ohh well i will try again in a few days..................any good places where i can order frozen mice online ?? i hate killing things.