thanks daigga pics were a big help the second, third pic is more like what I'm looking for, I was actually at petsmart today pricing out everything I would need, they had a nice tank with doors that swing out in the front, also had a screen top though, I was looking at a pastel they had there it was about the size of your first pic, I talked to a few people that worked there and none of them can answer ant question I threw at them, and didn't even know the sex of the ball. but I think I'm gonna pick up the tank there and have everything setup and make sure temps are all good before I bring one home, but I'd rather find a local breeder to get one from.

thanks salt, i'll have to look into that