TBH pine scares me mainly because I keep rodents (pets not breeders) and the pine can be horrible for them. I know the data on its effects on snakes is not very solid, but at the same time I feel like if it is that volatile and can release strong enough pehnols to kill a rodent, maybe it wouldn't kill a snake but why risk it. I am admittedly new to this, but just in my experience with how nasty it can be for other animals I prefer to just avoid it entirely. Then again the issue of ingesting substrate is pretty inconclusive too, but I still make him a little paper plate to grab his rat from every feeding. So yeah, probably just being a paranoid new mommy but boy would I feel awful if I didn't at least try to avoid every possible danger and something happened. I know, overthinking again but it helps me sleep at night lol.