ALL Ball Python breeders, STOP posting photos with no info about what you posted

[Ransack]

While I do occasionally wonder at the stunning photographs of never-before-seen morphs, and wish the breeder would at lest give some hint as to what is in it. To come to a public forum and demand that all breeders MUST tell me exactly what is in each and every snake they photograph or not post the picture is pretty damn arrogant and ignorant.

A breeder who has invested years of time and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars on a new project is not going to want every Tom, Richard, and Harry out there who owns a ball python to start pumping out dozens of identical or similar morphs and flood the market, thus insuring the breeder won't even be able to sell the animals he worked so hard to produce. So why don't you just get down off your damn high horse, and if you want to know what's in one of those never-before-seen morphs, then save up your money and offer to buy one from the breeder and then you'll know what's in it.

Otherwise, stop looking at the pictures and then you won't have anything to complain about, now will you?

Gale

This happens very rarely with simple recessive mutations as one or two people have the market and have a monster head start and they are releasing a few hets. or possible hets. the first few seasons. Those animals are usually marketed like crazy, Youtube videos, forum postings, an appearance at the big show with a huge NFS sign etc. They also tend to

I am specifically talking about the trend in what looks like the last two - two and a half years to post a snake that was made with easily obtainable genes to just be posted as a photo, no info. I don't get the point, it's not easily replicated and if you are trying to sell the snake and that is why you need a head start...fine, but is that how you sell a one of a kind snake. Just a picture, not even a tidbit of info that it's for sale or a call me?

[PitOnTheProwl]

I feel I stated my case clearly and concisely. Deborah and Pitt on the Prowl do you have a counter point instead of "BOO HOO" and "Big Boy Pants" as to why posting pictures with no info or title is something you feel is imperative?

I didn't think I stuttered in my first response to your post so I will make it a little easier.
I am more interested in the looks of the animal more so sometimes than what is in it.
Yes whatever genes make a difference but if the animal itself doesn't jump out at me then what difference does the time to write or read mean?
To questions there is, What is to stop you from sending an email or PM to the seller other than laziness?

[Freakie_frog]

This is an age old dilemma that people have been asking breeders to divulge the make up of their projects. The bottom line is that how much information or how little a breeder exposes of a combo is in fact the breeders right and purgative. I can be frustrating for sure, it's like not being able to see inside you Christmas presents. You get to see the size shape and even hear it rattle but you have to wait to see what makes it all the things it is. Doesn't mean you're not excited to see them wrapped under the tree.

As far as buying the stuff that makes it up..As a breeder why would I want to sell you the less expensive base genes knowing how to make what I make when I can sell you the finished product and let you reverse engineer it for yourself. Of course you're looking at this from the customers stand-point. Look at it from the breeders if I make a really awesome combo why in the name of all things holy would I want my competition (which since you want to make them you become) like NERD, RDR, ect knowing what it takes to make that. It's counter productive to provide my competition the key to my success much more so than not marketing to potential customers..

[OhhWatALoser]

To be honest, I don't like teaser pictures either, also withholding breeding records on high profile issues, but I am almost as much interested in the genetics than the actual looks of the animal, so info withholding is very frustrating to me. However the breeder has every right to show what they want and give w/e info they want. I also have the right to not buy anything from them and not support it, I have used that right a couple times. So don't step on their rights and embrace yours.

[TheSnakeEye]

I understand what you're saying but to me it sounds like you're confusing teaser pics (which are just that) for, for sale pics. I have never seen a any breeder list an animal for sale without stating what it was no matter the gene count.

Here's a 5 gene animal, I won't say what's in it, but you can have it for $5k LOL... Never seen that.

[Montypython696]

I personally like the pictures breeders post, it makes me think about what is put in it, and it makes me strive to try and make one, one day.

Regardless, I find this thread interesting *grabs popcorn*.

[Ransack]

I understand what you're saying but to me it sounds like you're confusing teaser pics (which are just that) for, for sale pics. I have never seen a any breeder list an animal for sale without stating what it was no matter the gene count.

Here's a 5 gene animal, I won't say what's in it, but you can have it for $5k LOL... Never seen that.

Thanks for the reply. I believe they have the right to post as many teaser pictures as they want and be as proud of the animals as they want. What I have been stating the entire time is I know it doesn't cause interest beyond what a few hours or days and makes no sales sense.

Because what are you pushing? I guess if it's just to show off (which is AWESOME if done with some savvy) and your intention is not to spark interest and fresh excitement in the hobby or make sales OK. What head start are you really getting on a co dom combo? What market is there to corner, what if you don't hit on it next season and beyond.

Why not take that opportunity to explain this is the cool animal you produced (be it an uncommon morph or world first) and this is how you did it, here is the story and the pairing and why don't you add the animals to your collection if you already don't have all the genes involved because it is an awesome project with allot of potential

A larger breeder posted an animal as a teaser, I knew exactly what it was (readily available genetics), I complimented the animal profusely asked if the breeder hatched any more or what the clutch consisted of (I had honest sales interest, I was a shopper) and if he thought that other examples of the morph would always look like that or if his opinion was it was an exceptional example (it was a three gene animal)...nothing, no answer. I really wasn't insulted, just vexed. I don't get it.

Basically the teaser picture to me doesn't spark good word of mouth and ultimately confuses more than it excites or informs.

[Slip]

(Teaser pics) Stop your crying. They don't have to tell you anything and in most cases wont. Breeders spend years proving out something and they shouldn't have to tell you how they got there. Don't like it? Tuff

(For Sale) I have yet to see this problem and almost every snake I see for sale tell you what it is. So I see no problem here.

I got to ask, how long have you been breeding? Or do you breed? What kind of money do you have tied up in your snakes? How many YEARS have you been working on a project? And you think you should have to tell everyone how you got to that said pattern and color? Maybe you should stick to dogs and cats

[Wizard]

Maybe they don't want do divulge their "secret" recipe to the public.

[dr del]

While we're making demands, I want a pony.

If you're not happy with the advertising don't click, don't buy? Or am I missing something?

**throws rattle out of his pram**

Right! That's it!!

If he's getting a pony I demand a banana!