Butter and lesser

[TheSnakeEye]

I've heard many times that the butter and the lesser started from 2 different wild caught snakes . They may have been different variations of the same line but they were found at different times so have bred different lines in the captive bred world. However since then, the lines have crossed so many times they may be indistinguishable. I like to think of them as different because I have multiple butter/lessers and my butter is much more of a bright yellow and my lessers are a pale yellow. The brown markings vary but in all the pictures I've seen, I still see more bright yellow in butter and pale in lesser. Something I have heard but not proven is that butters supposedly get brighter or retain more color with age where as lessers fade. In the end, it's relative. I believe they are different but have crossed a lot. Many argue they are the same. Believe what you would like

Your statement kind of contradicts itself. You start off by saying the lines have crossed so much that they're one in the same now. Then you say you can tell your lines apart. I'm not trying to start a war but this is exactly why I say they're one I the same, because even if they are different animals, they have so diluted that you can't separate them now. I have hatched Lesser's that look like both of the descriptions you've mentioned and all from the same sire.

Different line of the same morph, lessers came from platty daddy, butters came from one of a few imported animals. Look at enough of them and the combos and the same issues with the super, theres nothing to make one stand as different from the other

As for the mention of black pastels and cinnys, there is an obvious difference in the super as the grow up. And even in the heterozygous it is normally pretty easy to tell

Cinnamon's and Black Pastel's to me are the same because I have seen Cinny's that look more like supposed Black Pastel's and vice versa. I have seen pitch black Super Cinny's and brownish Super BP's... So with that being said, I feel it's just natural variance like there is with every morph.

If I go purchase a pair of Cinny's from a breeder and these Cinny's are real, real dark, then breed them in the future and get the blackest Super Cinny ever, should I relabel them Black Pastel's because of the outcome? No. Because I didn't buy them as such. Even though they're one in the same.

I have hatched tons of Lesser's from the same sire and people still ask if I have butter's... And I tell them exactly what I've listed above. They're one in the same, but I choose to stick to using the Lesser name because that's what my male is labeled as but they can call the hatchlings whatever they like. Lesser, Butter, LesBut, ButLes, LBeustster...