Oh yes, I forgot... I tried rubbing a F/T fuzzy against one of the live mice and offer it to one of the pythons, but that didn't work either. I've also tried the braining thing. Man that was disgusting... The feeding efforts occur after sunset (that's bad luck too, right now being the BRIGHTEST time of the year, the sun not setting before 11PM) in their own enclosures. I've tried different kinds of mousy dances, from slight wiggling to tail dangling.