Deforming in the mouth?

[rlditmars]

I am afraid I don't have anything to add other then to say I'm sorry to hear about this and hope it is just isolated to this clutch for you.

[RellesReptiles]

Somebody was just posting about hatching eyeless/small-eyed babies from an albino x candino pairing and I believe a few had this overbite deformity as well.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...and-small-eyes
Most people disagreed that it could be connected to the albino gene but I have seen many instances of eye deformities (and now I'm seeing overbite) in albino and het albino animals, so it COULD be related to the gene.
Perhaps those two animals are too closely related, as this can cause an increase in deformities or diseases. You might want to avoid repeating the pairing next year because of the potential for more deformities, but it could also be good to repeat and see if it was a fluke. It's all about the risk you're willing to take.
Hopefully the babies will manage to eat well :/
Good luck and sorry for the unfortunate occurrence ):

[Solarsoldier001]

Somebody was just posting about hatching eyeless/small-eyed babies from an albino x candino pairing and I believe a few had this overbite deformity as well.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...and-small-eyes
Most people disagreed that it could be connected to the albino gene but I have seen many instances of eye deformities (and now I'm seeing overbite) in albino and het albino animals, so it COULD be related to the gene.
Perhaps those two animals are too closely related, as this can cause an increase in deformities or diseases. You might want to avoid repeating the pairing next year because of the potential for more deformities, but it could also be good to repeat and see if it was a fluke. It's all about the risk you're willing to take.
Hopefully the babies will manage to eat well :/
Good luck and sorry for the unfortunate occurrence ):

We have another clutch in the incubator that is with the same dad, but different female. Both of them have the albino gene. But I don't have a bad feeling about that clutch

I honestly have no idea how a baby is supposed to eat with no under jaw. Two of the ones that are out have no under jaw. One kinda does. This is challenging enough already. Especially for only being our second
Time breeding. I don't know what to do

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[bcr229]

I honestly have no idea how a baby is supposed to eat with no under jaw. Two of the ones that are out have no under jaw. One kinda does. This is challenging enough already. Especially for only being our second Time breeding. I don't know what to do

I'm so very sorry. If they can't eat then they will have to be culled. Letting them starve to death is not an option.

[Solarsoldier001]

I'm so very sorry. If they can't eat then they will have to be culled. Letting them starve to death is not an option.

I am well aware that i have to prepare myself for that


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[bcr229]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I took your "I don't know what to do" statement to mean about the babies.

If it means you're looking for advice on future pairings... I would make a decision based on the other clutch that the albino sired. If those babies are ok, retire the mom of the deformed clutch, or at least don't pair her with that sire again. If the other albino clutch also has problems, retire the dad from breeding. Your non-albino clutches have hatched out just fine, so I don't see your incubator being the problem.

[MikeM75]

I had the clutch from Candino male to Albino girl where the babies came out just like this. My male has bred to 4 girls and where I do still have 2 clutches in the incubator, I did have 1 clutch hatch out and had 6 or 7 great babies, no issues what so ever, so I am pretty sure it isn't the male, but it was the first clutch of the Albino girl. I also did not have any big temperature swings or anything like that. I am unsure at the moment if I will do the same pairing next year or not to see if it was a fluke or possibly the female or just this specific pairing.

[joebad976]

Total Bummer....I would tend to think this is more due to genetics of the parents than temp spikes. I guess either one could be the culprit only way to know is to keep good records and see what happens next time these two are bred.

[Solarsoldier001]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I took your "I don't know what to do" statement to mean about the babies.

If it means you're looking for advice on future pairings... I would make a decision based on the other clutch that the albino sired. If those babies are ok, retire the mom of the deformed clutch, or at least don't pair her with that sire again. If the other albino clutch also has problems, retire the dad from breeding. Your non-albino clutches have hatched out just fine, so I don't see your incubator being the problem.

How long do you wait as far as the babies? Me and my boyfriend are talking about it all the time. I told him to wait till the others come out to do it all together , because we don't know when is the right time. or should we just do it now with the ones that are out already? I just don't know which way is right. I don't think they are suffering from hunger at this moment. They did absorb the yolk. So that's what I mean as a far as I don't know. We are having an issue of "when is the right time"?


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[Solarsoldier001]

Total Bummer....I would tend to think this is more due to genetics of the parents than temp spikes. I guess either one could be the culprit only way to know is to keep good records and see what happens next time these two are bred.

I know I'm an emotional person. I cry over so much. This clutch had a rotten egg in the beginning. And I cried over that. Now all these babies. All seven are deformed. It pains me to have any of them suffer. It's so stressful. For such little babies to enter the world in such an awful way.


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