It seems like its touch and go sometimes there is an opening for entry level, but for the most part since its R&D they want people with experience. I am one of probably 6 people that are in our late 20s early 30s the majority are 49-60 years old. So yes, it is pretty competitive. My sector deals with ventilation. R&D is fun, I have been doing it for 4 years and don't really see myself leaving the R&D environment.