Well I haven't heard back so now there is a possible trade for and Ivory (YB X YB) but I did write back about the Pastel. I agree that the Clown was not the quality that I want. I would probably spend a lot of time and money trying to use it as a base in breeding animals that I can really be proud of. Side tracking here for a moment but if I think the Corvette analogy would be more like "just because you built a Corvette using the exact same parts and used the exact same process doesn't necessarily mean you have the right to say you have a Corvette". In this case I'm not so sure it was a particular line of animal as much as it was the method to achieve the animal. Graziani and NERD were working with I assume to be the same gene animals around 97 and in 99 NERD created the first super proving it was an incomplete dominant or co-dom. From there I think he just used the right mix to get them to come out like that.