Queen bee question

[DooLittle]

Mom, bumblebee


Dad, blonde pastel lesser

[greco]

http://www.reptileradio.net/ball-pyt...l-spiders.html

http://www.reptile-community.com/smf...ic=8641.0;wap2

http://www.arbreptiles.com/lastword/spider_wobble.shtml

http://ballpythonbreeder.com/terms-e...ll-disclaimer/

I didn't come in here to start an argument, I just wanted to make sure that, as someone who's thinking about breeding spiders, they're aware of this issue. I almost bought a spider as my first morph, thinking that they looked cool and being completely unaware of their potential problems... when I found out, I was glad I went with a pinstripe instead.

[ElliotNess]

I didn't see anything in regards to fatality. Someone choosing to euthanize a snake is a choice they made. I have looked extensively into spider gene animals and have yet to find a reliable source who says there is a high fatality rate much less one at all. I do not consider ANY INTERNET FORUM OR BLOG a reliable source by any means.

I have a degree in criminal justice. I represent myself but I wouldn't offer internet advice. Damn sure wouldnt take it in regards to anything such as a serious topic as this.

Please post statistical data from a breeder such as NERD or BHB and then we can start making intellectual theories to start working through.

Thanks

[alan12013]

Bumble bee X Blonde lesser, that makes complete sense. Little by little I think I'm figuring out what to expect from certain pairings when breeding morphs. Thanks for the info on the parents and pics too!

[ApReptiles]

Mom, bumblebee


Dad, blonde pastel lesser

Any chance dad is actually a blonde mojave? I ask because the queenbee looks more like a pastel spider mojo than a queenbee in my opinion, either way its a beautiful example.

[ApReptiles]

Here is my queenbee girl from last year. I would say she is up there in quality her color has begun to brown a bit. I wish i can find a pic of her brother who i sold he was an A+ example.


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[DooLittle]

Any chance dad is actually a blonde mojave? I ask because the queenbee looks more like a pastel spider mojo than a queenbee in my opinion, either way its a beautiful example.

No, none.

[MrLang]

http://www.reptileradio.net/ball-pyt...l-spiders.html

http://www.reptile-community.com/smf...ic=8641.0;wap2

http://www.arbreptiles.com/lastword/spider_wobble.shtml

http://ballpythonbreeder.com/terms-e...ll-disclaimer/

I didn't come in here to start an argument, I just wanted to make sure that, as someone who's thinking about breeding spiders, they're aware of this issue. I almost bought a spider as my first morph, thinking that they looked cool and being completely unaware of their potential problems... when I found out, I was glad I went with a pinstripe instead.

Fair enough, but of the 4 links you posted only 1 of them even has the words fatal or euthanasia involved.

Of the posts in the 1, 2 people cited anecdotally that they believe maybe possible it may have happened a few times to people who are not themselves that a spider died because it was a spider.

The one person who mentioned problems cited a HGW / Spider breeding, which is known to have severe issues up to death.

TL;DR - until you can find an example of an individual who had a spider die or had to euthanize a spider under his or her own care due to the spider wobble, don't throw the words euthanasia and fatal into a post in context that suggests it as fact.

[CORBIN911]

MOST of the time Spider genetic morphs that have Severe wobble/Train wreck will be sold as Pets or Kept by breeder.

Most of the time they are fine. They just well are... "Corki" and wobble around, iv seen some severe coconut pied who wobble and there siblings who are normal... My lil lav spider girl has a slight wobble when i first pick her up but straightens up after.

[Pythonfriend]

spider is fine, some have more or less of a wobble, but for an animal in captivity that really doesnt matter. i never heared about issues with fertility or life expectancy. some have issues with accurately hitting the prey during feeding because of the wobble, but thats about it.

you just cannot combine spider with other genes that have the wobble, especially not HGW or champagne.

EDIT: also, spider is the second most common morph after pastel, with the second highest number of known combos after pastel. that would not be the case if it would really be bad. it also means that there is a tremendous amount of knowledge about this morph and its issues. and everyone says the same: yeah its fine, they have the wobble but thats alright, just dont combine it with certain other genes.