Queen bee question

[alan12013]

What's you opinion of quality with animals such as this queen bee? I am hoping to work with pastels, lesser and spider animals primarily at first and this is a morph that I would love to produce eventually or maybe even purchase a quality one for my second year. I am planning on going to an expo next month so I need to start training my eye regarding quality. This particular one is actually for sale right now but I realized looking at it I couldn't tell the quality like I could with a pastel or a spider. If the picture doesn't attachI will try later as my computer is acting up. The pic Is in my gallary

[MrLang]

I took a look at the pic. It's a bad pic, so this may not be the case, but in my opinion that is not a high quality queen bee.

In my mind a high quality lesser and a high quality spider are both very reduced pattern - no spots. Pastels generally come with spots, so many of the queen bees you see look like the one you pictured. In my opinion, here's the description of a really nice queen bee:

-Reduced pattern, little to no spots
-Golden yellow on the sides - remember, orange turns brown/grey on pastels but yellow holds
-Sort of a combination of 1 and 2, they should have a very 'soft' look about them
-Nice flames coming up the sides

Just an opinion - others may prefer them different.

[greco]

Before you commit to breeding spiders, be aware that they carry genetic flaws that can sometimes be fatal or require euthanization. It's called 'wobble' and most spiders have it to some degree. Even those that don't show ANY signs of wobble still carry these genetic flaws and they can be passed on to their offspring.

[zachbinger]

Just bought a spider tell me if he looks good new to spiders have a ghost and phantom

[OhhWatALoser]

Before you commit to breeding spiders, be aware that they carry genetic flaws that can sometimes be fatal or require euthanization.

care to share a source for this information?

[MrLang]

be aware that they carry genetic flaws that can sometimes be fatal or require euthanization.

Please kindly cite 1 example of this being fatal or requiring euthanasia before spreading misinformation.

[alan12013]

From various sources andfrom Brian at BHB wobble MIGHT be able to be line bred out. I actually couldn't find any information on how heritable it is besides what I just mentioned so that's probably why OWAL was asking for a reference. Even if you do breed them I don't think that the neurological disorder causes death and I'm not aware of any fatal breeding with spiders.

Zach, from what I would imagine your spider looks like a spider... The sides are dirty and people usually prefer them to be more of a white color. The pattern is ok too. I dont like spiders with straight edge thick stripes and prefer them to have a reduced amount of lines and in cool funky directions. The lighter the gold coloration on the back the cooler I think it looks too as oppose to a really dark brownish spider with dark sides and thick dull black striping all over and especially down the spine I would prefer one that has high white sides, a bit of yellow even and a really light gold coloration with a more vibrant black patterning that's not entirely connected. Yours appears to be in between what I like and what I would consider a poor quality one.

MrLang, I went to a few of the big named breeders' sites looking at their queen bees and I see what you mean about the spots!! I also saw the yellow you refer to but also a good amount of whitish looking coloration too on the sides that seemed to fade into yellow but that might just be the pictures. Thanks for the help. The more I get the hang of this I see why I got jumped when I first came to this site thinking I could spend 4-6 years and line breed all my single genes into good quality lol It makes a huge difference the quality of the animals used in a program once you start getting more then 2 genes in them. Which is why I want to know exactly what to look for once I start acquiring some

[whatsherface]

Before you commit to breeding spiders, be aware that they carry genetic flaws that can sometimes be fatal or require euthanization. It's called 'wobble' and most spiders have it to some degree. Even those that don't show ANY signs of wobble still carry these genetic flaws and they can be passed on to their offspring.

1) I didn't mean to 'thank' for this post. Mobile is stupid.

2) Your statement is untrue. Share one example if a wobble requiring euthanasia or leading to an animal's death?

[DooLittle]

Here is my little queen bee I just produced. I love her.

[alan12013]

Amazing yellow. That's some of the best yellow I've seen I'd really like to know her lineage. What were her parents and could you post pics?