Ok cool thanks guys. I found out the owner is a breeder that has put breeding on the back burner but has over 50 snakes and this one is housed with at least one other. I am meeting the woman (she is the breeder) tomorrow hopefully to get this girl. I might work with her more to pick up some others such as a Mojave female and a couple others. Het's always seem strange when you see some one's collection and they're all say het orange ghost but then they're selling one that was hatched same time as the others that's het something completely different. Oh well I don't ask questions that I already know the answer too... I'm picking up this snake to work on my pastel breeding only. The plan is to start from the ground up no matter the time or cost. I will say that recently I do think a bit differen't when it comes to quality of patterns with these animals. You guys helped me out in a previous post I had relating to spider quality but we didn't talk about pastels. I can see very distinct differences between the brightness of yellows and the amount of white (reduced pattern) between high and low quality pastels. This has to be polygenic like in leopard geckos??? This answer could save me a year or 5... I want to start with great quality and build up from there. I know the common answer is "buy a good animal froma quality breeder" but I'm under the impression that I could breed 2 not so good quality and just keep the best ones. Keep in mind I might sound like I know what I am talking about but I am completely lost still, learning has been a bit like playing asteroids for me thus far.